Thanks Butch lots to read there now :) The Penske information is from the
boat show people as you said can't be trusted as proof. Usually there is
some truth to rumors just not sure how much so I thought maybe someone would
have heard of it. The boat dealers carry both or access both engine lines. I
posted in this group because 99% of posts are about boats and not snake oil.
The bulk of the information of bad things are from earlier motors and it is
2006 now which has given them 6 years to figure things out. I must admit it
looks like they had a fairly dismal start from the other posted links. I
feel sorry for the people that got nailed on the early models. It really
isn't fair when the motors are so expensive now. Like motorcross bikes that
use to cost $1200 are now $6000 still with no warranty out of the crate - a
bit of a leap in faith. Alan

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
k.net...
Alan,

Sorry, should have said e-tecinfonet.org (note the dash after the e in
e-tec).

Don't know who your guys are at the boat show but assume the are not up to
date or are selling competeing engines. Mostly at shows you only
encounter "sales types" not "tech types". Some sales guys are very smart
about the products they sell but in my experience they are not. Mostly
they tell folks just about anything to consumate a sale.

Obviously I have no axe to grind over the final engine choice you make. I
own no stock in BRP. You were seeking information and got a what I
personally know as a FICHT owner for the past eight years. There are NO
out of the ordinary FICHT issues. On the used market there may well be
some FICHTs for sale which were not factory updated when that service was
offered. I believe the 150 and 175 HP early FICHTs had problems requiring
updates and sometimes new power heads. ETECs have been performing more or
less faultlessly from day one.

Don't know what Penske has to do with the issue. Have they made a bid to
your certain knowledge for BRP or Evinrude? The experience they have with
Detroit Diesel Allison two stroke engines certainly is of no value to
outboard engine technology.

If you do your homework I think you'll find that ETEC and new FICHT have
no more issues than Merc, Yammie, Suzuki, etc.

BTW, why did you post this issue to rec.boats.electronics?

Good luck.

Butch
"Alan" wrote in message ...
Well Butch I tried the link and searched google and there is nothing
showing up for etecinfonet.org
The guys at the boat show have acknowledged there is trouble with
lubrication and it turns out Penske is the one that wanted to buy the
etech technology. When things go wrong they go really wrong and
expensive. When running right there great. They own part of Detroit
Engines which are 2 strokes so who knows where the marine line would end
up if they are successful in their bid. Their transport truck people and
racing. The high pressure line delivery is still a concern from people at
the boat show. One of my friends got burned on the extended warranty when
OMC went under on a 50 4stroke first hand - the engine never failed
though! So I am leaning towards a 75 Merc 4 stroke at this point. These
engines are too expensive to be part of an experiment of shareholders and
technology. Anyone have thoughts on this? Alan

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Larry, as usual, says much but knows nothing about FICHTs. He's
probably seen a couple over the past eight years or so, but he knows
only what he reads when it is negative.

He and an Austrailian idiot have been ranting about FICHTs for years.
Those on rec.boats simply consider the source.

For some interesting info on ETECS go to etecinfonet.org and see what
you learn.

Butch


"Alan" wrote in :

Hi Larry, I don't own one yet but was thinking of getting one of the
75 Hp outboards. I am was deciding between the Merc or Evenrude. What
problems are they having with the Ficht's I wasn't aware of any? The
boat show is this week were I am now so it is getting down to crunch
time. Alan

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Oh, Nay, let me count the ways....
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/200225hpFichtFires.asp
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/OMCBankruptcy.asp
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._4/ai_61555469
http://www.epinions.com/content_22455488132
http://www.epinions.com/boat-Motors-...splay_~reviews
smooth over the first two enamored owners and read owner 3's
computer
problem....
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005165.html

Of course, Optimax is also crap, too:
http://www.theboatingnews.com/0501_mercur_pulls.htm

http://www.boatsetup.com/PlgIndex.pdf
Do you REALLY want to own an engine where if you don't install the
spark
plugs in just the right way, it blasts the heads off them 20 miles from
the trailer "up the creek", so to speak?

One guy I found was told he needed a new computer for his Ficht, over
$4000! That ALONE makes Ficht a no-buy to me. The damned computer
NASA
uses on interplanetary space launches is the only "computer" that costs
more! $4000 for a fuel injection computer? Is it made of solid
Palladium?