Bobspittle swallowed all of his hero lies hook line and sinkers.

Going to have to gut him to get the hook out of his belly, stand back
this is going to be nasty.

The "Daily Mislead" is misleading. The controversy regarding
Moore's remarks and film presentation of post-9/11 flights
carrying Saudis is not limited to the details of the single
flight from Florida to Kentucky and back.

Moore has repeatedly made the false (implied) claim that Saudis
(including bin Laden family members) were given special privileges
to LEAVE the US before the travel ban was lifted. He flat-out
lied about the FBI being able to interview the Saudis who did
leave soon after 9/11 (which wasn't until AFTER the travel ban
was lifted).


If you want to hold the administration's feet to the fire over
that Florida charter flight on 9/13, go ahead. If they covered
up the details, they deserve to be exposed. But that doesn't
undo Michael Moore's lies on the subject.


*Saudi Departures from United States*


*Deceits 11-15*


Moore is guilty of a classic game of saying one thing and
implying another when he describes how members of the Saudi
elite
were flown out of the United States shortly after 9/11.


If you listen only to what Moore says during this segment
of
the movie--and take careful notes in the dark--you'll find
he's
got his facts right. He and others in the film state that 142
Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were
allowed to leave the country after Sept. 13.


The date--Sept. 13--is crucial because that is when a
national ban on air traffic, for security purposes, was eased.



But nonetheless, many viewers will leave the movie theater

with the impression that the Saudis, thanks to special
treatment
from the White House, were permitted to fly away when all
other
planes were still grounded. This false impression is created
by
Moore's failure, when mentioning Sept. 13, to emphasize that
the
ban on flights had been eased by then. The false impression is

further pushed when Moore shows the singer Ricky Martin
walking
around an airport and says, "Not even Ricky Martin would fly.
But
really, who wanted to fly? No one. Except the bin Ladens."


But the movie fails to mention that the FBI interviewed
about
30 of the Saudis before they left. And the independent 9/11
commission has reported that "each of the flights we have
studied
was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional
manner prior to its departure."


McNamee
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-true28.html,
/Chicago Sun-Times./ (Note: The /Sun-Times/ article was
correct in its characterization of the Ricky Martin segment,
but not precisely accurate in the exact words used in the
film. I have substituted the exact quote. On September 13,
U.S. airspace was re-opened for a small number of flights;
charter flights were allowed, and the airlines were allowed to
move their planes to new airports to start carrying passengers
on September 14. Although there is still conflict on the
issue, there appears to have been a charter flight from Tampa,
Florida which took three Saudis to Lexington, Kentucky.)

http://www.saintpetersburgtimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verif...,



Tapper: [Y]our film showcases former counter-terrorism czar
Richard Clarke, using him as a critic of the Bush
administration.
Yet in another part of the film, one that appears in your
previews, you criticize members of the Bush administration for

permitting members of the bin Laden family to fly out of the
country almost immediately after 9/11. What the film does not
mention is that Richard Clarke says that he OK'd those
flights.
Is it fair to not mention that?


Moo Actually I do, I put up /The New York Times/ article
and
it's blown up 40 foot on the screen, you can see Richard
Clarke's
name right there saying that he approved the flights based on
the
information the FBI gave him. It's right there, right up on
the
screen. I don't agree with Clarke on this point. Just because
I
think he's good on a lot of things doesn't mean I agree with
him
on everything.


Jake Tapper interview with Michael Moore

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Entertainment/Politics/tapper_moore_tr...,

ABC News, June 25, 2004. In an Associated Press interview

http://comcast.net/News/DOMESTIC/XML/1110_AP_Online_Regional___Nation...,

Clarke said that he agreed with much of what Moore had to say,
but that the Saudi flight material was a mistake.


Again, Moore is misleading. His film includes a brief shot of
a Sept. 4, 2003, /New York Times/ article headlined "White
House Approved Departures of Saudis after Sept. 11, Ex-Aide
Says." The camera pans over the article far too quickly for
any ordinary viewer to spot and read the words in which Clarke
states that he approved the flights.


Some Saudis left the U.S. by charter flight on September 14, a
day when commercial flights had resumed, but when ordinary
charter planes were still grounded. When did the bin Ladens
actually leave? Not until the next week, as the the 9/11
Commission staff report explains:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf



Fearing reprisals against Saudi nationals, the Saudi
government
asked for help in getting some of its citizens out of the
country....we have found that the request came to the
attention
of Richard Clarke and that each of the flights we have studied

was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional
manner prior to its departure.


No commercial planes, including chartered flights,
were
permitted to fly into, out of, or within the United States
until
September 13, 2001. After the airspace reopened, six chartered

flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi Arabian nationals,
departed
from the United States between September 14 and 24. One
flight,
the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on
September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of
Usama
Bin Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any
chartered
flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States
before the reopening of national airspace.


The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement

officials, primarily the FBI, to ensure that people on these
flights did not pose a threat to national security, and that
nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the 9/11
investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the
142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including
22
of the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards)
on
the Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None
of
the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with
Usama
Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.


The FBI checked a variety of databases for
information
on the Bin Ladin flight passengers and searched the aircraft.
It
is unclear whether the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked.
At
our request, the Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the
names of individuals on the flight manifests of these six
Saudi
flights against the current TIPOFF watchlist. There are no
matches.


The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to
depart
on these six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in
connection with the 9/11 attacks, or who the FBI later
concluded
had any involvement in those attacks. To date, we have
uncovered
no evidence to contradict this conclusion.


Finally, Moore's line, "But really, who wanted to fly? No one.
Except the bin Ladens," happens to be a personal lie. Stranded
in California on September 11, Michael Moore ended up driving
home to New York City. On September 14, he wrote to his fans

http://web.archive.org/web/20011008095454/michaelmoore.com/2001_0914....

"Our daughter is fine, mostly frightened by my desire to fly
home to her rather than drive." Moore acceded to the wishes of
his wife and daughter, and drove back to New York. It is
pretty hypocritical for Moore to slam the Saudis (who had very
legitimate fears of being attacked by angry people) just
because they wanted to fly home, at the same time when Moore
himself wanted to fly home.


(Deceits: 1. Departure dates for Saudis, 2. Omission of
Richard Clarke's approval for departures, 3. Lying to Jake
Tapper about whether Clarke's role was presented in the movie,
4. Omission of Commission staff finding that many Saudis were
asked "detailed questions" before being allowed to leave, 5.
Moore himself wanted to fly when he says only the bin Ladens
did.)


Kopel, Dave. "Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 911."
http://tinyurl.com/28hjy


************************************************** *************


The Saudi Flights


National air space was closed on September 11. Fearing
reprisals against Saudi nationals, the Saudi government asked
for help in getting some of its citizens out of the country.
We have not yet identified who they contacted for help. But we
have found that the request came to the attention of Richard
Clarke and that each of the flights we have studied was
investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional
manner prior to its departure.


No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were
permitted to fly into, out of, or within the United States
until September 13, 2001. After the airspace reopened, six
chartered flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi Arabian
nationals, departed from the United States between September
14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight,
departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers,
most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. We have found no
credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian
nationals departed the United States before the reopening of
national airspace.


The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did
not pose a threat to national security, and that nobody of
interest to the FBI with regard to the 9/11 investigation was
allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142 people on
these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the
26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the
Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of
the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with
Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.


The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the
Bin Ladin flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is
unclear whether the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At
our request, the Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the
names of individuals on the flight manifests of these six
Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF watchlist. There are
no matches.


The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on
these six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in
connection with the 9/11 attacks, or who the FBI later
concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To date, we
have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion.


"Threats and Responses in 2001 : Staff Statement No. 10."
National Commission on Terrorist Atacks Upon the United States.
P. 12. http://tinyurl.com/3ftxq [PDF Document].

Joe

Joe, you do realize that my post was from the FBI file? They admit to
not interviewing ALL of the family members. And now, after you claim
flight restrictions ended, we learn...

The date--Sept. 13--is crucial because that is when a
national ban on air traffic, for security purposes, was eased.


"eased, meaning you couldn't fly and I couldn't fly, but Bin Laden's
family could. Not even US officials could fly without special
clearence. That's from the FBI, Joe.

Fake war, Joe. Snap out of it. NO WMDs..

RB
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