On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:19:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in
areasolutions:

So, we should just go for it? Just because someone else is doing
something wrong does not give us license to do something wrong.

-

We Americans stopped using R-12, by law, years ago. The ozone hole over
ANTARCTICA on the OTHER end of the planet has gotten LARGER because it's
caused by SOLAR ACTIVITY, not humans who are the most insignificant speck
in the astronomical size of everything else.

I bet of we bring back R-12 (and drop the price from $10/12oz back to
68c/16oz) the ozone hole over Antarctica will go on doing exactly whatit
has been doing for a few million years before Americans were invented to
blame it on.....the natural patsies.

Hell, it wasn't the R12 anyway. It was hair spray.

--Vic

There you go. This shows that the Islamic and Buddhist religions are
far greener than is Christianity.

Islam recommends that women cover their hair - no need for hair spray
then, and Buddhist priests and nuns shave their hair - nothing to
spray.

Perhaps the world might be saved or at least the ozone layer healed if
you all converted to one of the two.

Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are
probably an improvement but Wilbur......

No, we'll let the Buddhists have him.

Just a bizarre thought,
Peter

No Bruce. That is NOT the word. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

The word I intended was 'Aunt"

You have a seweratious mind.

cheers
Peter

My God. I have exposed my dumbness. I got the punch-line wrong.

The word is "talk'

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:21:05 -0700, Gordon wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
This is one of the points that really makes me wonder about how
sensible the current U.S. Government is. I, just a guy who reads, with
no mammoth CIA/NSA/Whatever to do my research knew long before even
Iraq I that the country was artificially created and contained several
groups that hated each other and probably was ungovernable by any
other means then brute force (much like Yugoslavia) and once the
strong central government fell there would be chaos. And, surprise,
surprise, I was right.

But, and this is my point, if I could figure this out why couldn't the
whole U.S. Government with their mammoth intelligence gathering and
analyzing capability figure it out?

And if they could figure it out then what are they doing there?

And don't talk about "control of the oil" as that is just B.S. The
existing Iraqi oil fields are all produced by joint ventures with
European companies - Italian and French if memory serves.

Rant OFF

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Too bad Bush never read T E Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". He
might have thought twice, but then again probably not.

“All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream
with open eyes, to make it possible.”
- T.E. LAWRENCE
G


Bush can read?

OK, OK, it was a cheap shot.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

My God, I am enjoying this thread!

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:19:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in
yareasolutions:

So, we should just go for it? Just because someone else is doing
something wrong does not give us license to do something wrong.

-

We Americans stopped using R-12, by law, years ago. The ozone hole over
ANTARCTICA on the OTHER end of the planet has gotten LARGER because it's
caused by SOLAR ACTIVITY, not humans who are the most insignificant speck
in the astronomical size of everything else.

I bet of we bring back R-12 (and drop the price from $10/12oz back to
68c/16oz) the ozone hole over Antarctica will go on doing exactly whatit
has been doing for a few million years before Americans were invented to
blame it on.....the natural patsies.

Hell, it wasn't the R12 anyway. It was hair spray.

--Vic

There you go. This shows that the Islamic and Buddhist religions are
far greener than is Christianity.

Islam recommends that women cover their hair - no need for hair spray
then, and Buddhist priests and nuns shave their hair - nothing to
spray.

Perhaps the world might be saved or at least the ozone layer healed if
you all converted to one of the two.

Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are
probably an improvement but Wilbur......

No, we'll let the Buddhists have him.

Just a bizarre thought,
Peter


Actually the Moslems were johnny-come-lately as the orthodox jewish
women wear a wig and then cover the wig with a handkerchief or scarf
or hat. Double protection.:-)

If I were nobility it would be Bruce na Bangkok similar to the old EU
titles, William de Brittany, etc., but since I'm just a common sort of
chap it is just Bruce...

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:59 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do
with reality.


I agree but WHAT was the agenda?

It was well laid out ad infinitum in the U.S. news media - who were
willing, unquestioning and ass-kissing promulgators - by GWB and his
neocon spokesmen for a year leading up to the invasion of Iraq.
They repeatedly espoused the following beliefs, which can be viewed as
their "agenda."
1. Saddam Hussein had WMD (emphasis on nukes.)
2. Saddam was at the very least in collusion with Al Qeada - or
however you wish to spell Bin Laden's operation, and might supply them
with WMD.
4. Saddam was a bad guy anyway, so that's a bonus.
3. The Great U.S.A, in the name of humanity would engage in a
one-month war in Iraq, kill the "bad guys," thereby "protecting
America," be greeted by the grateful formerly subjugated citizens
carrying flowers of appreciation, install the first Democracy in
Arabia, which would then move its angelic wings over the blazing sands
of the Mideast, stirring the zephyrs of.......
4. Peace in our time.
5. BTW, it wouldn't cost a cent. Iraqi oil would pay for it.
Will you please contain yourself? It's not *that* funny.
Ironically, because it gives some credence to the far-ranging musings
of Larry's "suspicious mind," these ideas were most vociferously
promulgated here on the various news talk shows by the Jewish neocons
Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Frank Gaffney. Another neocon Jew,
David Frum, wrote GWB's axis of evil speech, and yet two others,
editorialists Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. led the charge
from the fifth estate.
To top it off, Wolfowitz, when he and the others had been thoroughly
discredited by events in Iraq, was nominated by GWB to head The
World Bank! His ethics were tested there. He flunked yet again.
But it does bring the "New World Order" into play.
Personally, I don't much believe in conspiracies. There are so many
Jews in prominent positions running around here it would make your
head spin trying to link them up.
Besides, most Jews are probably commies.
No, it was just a bunch of stupid men overestimating their own
intelligence and perceptions. An arrogant and stupid lot.
9/11 set them in motion, and it was Bin Laden who gave GWB the
opportunity to free these fools from their restraints.
I do believe these guys brainwashed GWB, as his mind isn't very
robust. He's already forgotten his promise to get Bin Laden.
I think I have seen Perle and Gaffney once each on TV since it became
evident what fools they are. They never appeared again as far as I
know, probably because the networks received thousands of complaints
at seeing them show up to assault the senses once again.
In any case that's my view of the "agenda," a trifle expanded.
You can thank your lucky stars you aren't exposed to American cable
TV, and had to ask!

--Vic







..

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:59:32 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are
probably an improvement but Wilbur......

No, we'll let the Buddhists have him.

Just a bizarre thought,
Peter


Actually the Moslems were johnny-come-lately as the orthodox jewish
women wear a wig and then cover the wig with a handkerchief or scarf
or hat. Double protection.:-)

If I were nobility it would be Bruce na Bangkok similar to the old EU
titles, William de Brittany, etc., but since I'm just a common sort of
chap it is just Bruce...

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Asalaam Brother

Yes, the truly Orthodox ones used to shave their hair before donning
ill fitting wigs. I had a childhood friend whose grandmother wore one.
Frankly, she looked rather frightening with it. I am rather certain
that it is a Hasidic custom and think that perhaps it was originally
initiated to make their women look less attractive to the surrounding
non-Jewish men - pogroms being as random and as frequent as they were
in Europe. I have never seen any Sephardic Jewish women in Gibraltar,
Morocco Yemen, Egypt or Istanbul with wigs.

I don't wish to appear patronising but you seem to have a wealth of
knowledge for a non-Jew.

cheers
Peter

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:


Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are
probably an improvement but Wilbur......

I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress.

--Vic

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote

Bush can read?

OK, OK, it was a cheap shot.

Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted
on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm
in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on
paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are
simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness
that the lord has laid out for you.

Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious.

--
Roger Long

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:31:07 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:59 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do
with reality.


I agree but WHAT was the agenda?

It was well laid out ad infinitum in the U.S. news media - who were
willing, unquestioning and ass-kissing promulgators - by GWB and his
neocon spokesmen for a year leading up to the invasion of Iraq.
They repeatedly espoused the following beliefs, which can be viewed as
their "agenda."
1. Saddam Hussein had WMD (emphasis on nukes.)
2. Saddam was at the very least in collusion with Al Qeada - or
however you wish to spell Bin Laden's operation, and might supply them
with WMD.
4. Saddam was a bad guy anyway, so that's a bonus.
3. The Great U.S.A, in the name of humanity would engage in a
one-month war in Iraq, kill the "bad guys," thereby "protecting
America," be greeted by the grateful formerly subjugated citizens
carrying flowers of appreciation, install the first Democracy in
Arabia, which would then move its angelic wings over the blazing sands
of the Mideast, stirring the zephyrs of.......
4. Peace in our time.
5. BTW, it wouldn't cost a cent. Iraqi oil would pay for it.
Will you please contain yourself? It's not *that* funny.
Ironically, because it gives some credence to the far-ranging musings
of Larry's "suspicious mind," these ideas were most vociferously
promulgated here on the various news talk shows by the Jewish neocons
Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Frank Gaffney. Another neocon Jew,
David Frum, wrote GWB's axis of evil speech, and yet two others,
editorialists Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. led the charge
from the fifth estate.
To top it off, Wolfowitz, when he and the others had been thoroughly
discredited by events in Iraq, was nominated by GWB to head The
World Bank! His ethics were tested there. He flunked yet again.
But it does bring the "New World Order" into play.
Personally, I don't much believe in conspiracies. There are so many
Jews in prominent positions running around here it would make your
head spin trying to link them up.
Besides, most Jews are probably commies.
No, it was just a bunch of stupid men overestimating their own
intelligence and perceptions. An arrogant and stupid lot.
9/11 set them in motion, and it was Bin Laden who gave GWB the
opportunity to free these fools from their restraints.
I do believe these guys brainwashed GWB, as his mind isn't very
robust. He's already forgotten his promise to get Bin Laden.
I think I have seen Perle and Gaffney once each on TV since it became
evident what fools they are. They never appeared again as far as I
know, probably because the networks received thousands of complaints
at seeing them show up to assault the senses once again.
In any case that's my view of the "agenda," a trifle expanded.
You can thank your lucky stars you aren't exposed to American cable
TV, and had to ask!

--Vic


Very well put Vic.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:51:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:


Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are
probably an improvement but Wilbur......

I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress.

--Vic

Love the retort!

That's Ok Vic. So long as you cover your knees, long shorts or
trousers will be adequate at prayer.

Peace be with you Brother Ibn Smith

I think that Larry is quiet on the matter due to shock.

Asalaam

My God, this has gotten way off topic.

Does anyone recall my plea for help on fridges?