You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for
getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has
even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even
getting to a vote.

Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune
in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched
him swim the Rio Grand.

More will keep coming in unless we pay a lot more in taxes or give up
some of the social programs that this welfare state we live is addicted
to. The border patrol officer have to all go back to the station at
shift change because they are not funded well enough to have vehicles
that can relieve on station. Their budget did not increase with
everything else for most of the last decade.

The only tax break given to companies that "offshore" product is the
relief they get from not having to deal with multilayer taxes (taxes
paid on other taxes) and incredible state bureaucracies.

You can't Excise tax an import only, but you can impost a duty or import
tax. But, any the US does this the WTO rules it as "exclusionary" or
"protectionist" and authorizes duties on US goods (usually farm
products) that far exceed the value of the duty. This even occurs when
a product is produced by a state-owner or subsidized company.

If you are going to live in this country much longer, you better learn
to love speaking Spanish. The USA does not have any law, code or rules
that determine a national language. That is why ballots for all
elections (including federal) and driver's examinations have to be
available any language. Pubic schools can must provide instruction in
the student's families' language of choice. You can not say native
language, because many are third or forth generation citizens.

As a country - we will be torn apart by the “acceptance of cultural
diversity” that many think is so valuable. This country has stopped
trying to be the melting pot that made us the power we once were and is
set to be come a crazy quilt where everyone of free from any chance of
being offended by anything.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Democracy will last until the populace discover that they can vote
themselves emoluments from the public treasury. - Thomas Macaulay
Brian D wrote:

When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving
operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN
you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no
good political party anymore ...was there ever?

Brian


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04...


Larry W4CSC wrote:


I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston,
SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I
can communicate on the phone.

The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just
to go to Charleston. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

No, I didn't vote for 'it'. Not unless some politician was mis-representing
his/herself. However, you make a lot of good points and illustrate how
screwed up things have become ...maybe hopelessly so. As a professional who
has on many occasions worked directly to 'offshore' the work that we all
wish was here (you have to do what you are told), I got the impression that
the primary reasons were taxes/cost on product produced, not so much the
labor cost differences. At least in the world of high volume manufacturing,
that's the way it was. Now I'm in a part of the company that requires lower
volume manufacturing, much of it 'manual automation' (uh huh), and there was
never any consideration for having it in the United States. Personally, I'd
rather live through a recession/depression and start over. Don't export
unless they buy more than they sell. Why can some nutless country operate
with a trade deficit that works against the US and we don't turn it around?
Don't import unless there are enough duties on the goods to make them as
expensive as similar products in the US. F*&# the middle east and produce
our own oil. We'd have to drill some additional known areas ...but how low
do you think they'd drop the price if they knew they had to? Remember? WE
use the majority of the oil ...why are we being man-handled by *them*? When
is the big gorilla going to look in the mirror and realize it's strength?
Want to see willing workers to 'displace' the illegal immigrants? Kill
welfare. Done. Lots of willing workers. Go back to the idea of poor farms
....don't like hoeing beets and living in bunk beds with 49 other people at a
time? Get a job.

Protectionist? Too bad. We consume the most and have the most leverage.
They can play strong arm games for a little while, but they'll eventually
figure out who the big boys are.

Brian


"taxpayer" wrote in message
...
You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for
getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has
even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even
getting to a vote.

Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune
in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched
him swim the Rio Grand.

More will keep coming in unless we pay a lot more in taxes or give up
some of the social programs that this welfare state we live is addicted
to. The border patrol officer have to all go back to the station at
shift change because they are not funded well enough to have vehicles
that can relieve on station. Their budget did not increase with
everything else for most of the last decade.

The only tax break given to companies that "offshore" product is the
relief they get from not having to deal with multilayer taxes (taxes
paid on other taxes) and incredible state bureaucracies.

You can't Excise tax an import only, but you can impost a duty or import
tax. But, any the US does this the WTO rules it as "exclusionary" or
"protectionist" and authorizes duties on US goods (usually farm
products) that far exceed the value of the duty. This even occurs when
a product is produced by a state-owner or subsidized company.

If you are going to live in this country much longer, you better learn
to love speaking Spanish. The USA does not have any law, code or rules
that determine a national language. That is why ballots for all
elections (including federal) and driver's examinations have to be
available any language. Pubic schools can must provide instruction in
the student's families' language of choice. You can not say native
language, because many are third or forth generation citizens.

As a country - we will be torn apart by the “acceptance of cultural
diversity” that many think is so valuable. This country has stopped
trying to be the melting pot that made us the power we once were and is
set to be come a crazy quilt where everyone of free from any chance of
being offended by anything.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Democracy will last until the populace discover that they can vote
themselves emoluments from the public treasury. - Thomas Macaulay
Brian D wrote:

When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving
operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import
....THEN
you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There
is no
good political party anymore ...was there ever?

Brian


"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04...


Larry W4CSC wrote:


I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston,
SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I
can communicate on the phone.

The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just
to go to Charleston. :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Brian D wrote:

We consume the most and have the most leverage.

Therin lies a big part of the problem. We can't be both the biggest
consumer and the biggest exporter. We over-consume and end up having to
live with a huge trade deficit. It's our own fault.

"taxpayer" wrote in message
...
You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for
getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has
even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even
getting to a vote.

Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune
in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched
him swim the Rio Grand.


Being rather close to the border action, I would say that the real reason we
have such a large permanent illegal alien population is the pandering of the
political parties (mostly the Democrats, with their concept on
"inclusiveness" to achieve power) to the loud-mouth, seditious Chicano
activists. They promise to deliver the Latin vote, garnering special
privileges and favoritism that's cancerous to our republic. Meanwhile, the
activists encourage non-assimilation into our culture, as this would erode
their own power base. Through all the talk, and double-talk, the Mexican
population of America grows by maybe 1.5M per year. Spanish ballots,
drivers' licenses for illegals, public documents doubled in size to
accommodate a Spanish translation, bilingual education, money for "arts"
programs that celebrate the homicidal psychotics of the Aztec Empire.

If you want to know what the real program is, just think Aztlan, from
Spokane to Denver to New Orleans. Considering the zeal of the immigrative
and reproductive warriors, even that might be too modest. Of course, we
can't say these obvious truths, since anyone pointing this out would
immediately be discredited as a racist, elitist xenophobe.

I keep trying to vote the rascals out, but there appears to be an infinite
supply of rascals.

Ed
(deep in the heart of Aztlan)

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:00:52 -0800, "Ed Price"
wrote:

In re the immigration debate.

It's called "invasion and conquest by immigration" and I'm afraid it's
gone so far there is no hope of liberating ourselves unless, of
course, the French are willing to come over and do for us what we did
for them a few years back. Highly uinlikely since France, with its
own immigration/conquest is rapidly becoming a Muslim-controlled
nation and God knows Islam is not going to do anything for us Infidels
other than dispatch us straight to Hell with not even 20 virgins to
accompany us..

Somebody in this thread said the Democrats are to blame for seeking to
expand their power base by catering to them so that they could be
added to Democratic voter roles. This was probably true in the
beginning but the Republicans are now Hell bent on catching up, viz
George XLII and his pandering to them via "legalization" proposals.

Some mush-brained fool--probably a univ. prof.--said, in a preceding
thread, how wonderful it was that this invasion is allowing us to
incorporate new words into our language. I guess his mind is back in
1066. He probably believes that we, the English-speaking population
of this country, will benefit just as the primitives of the British
Isles benefited from Guillaume's little invasion. Of course,
Guillaume did it honestly at Hastings. He didn't sneak his invaders
across the Channel (substitute Rio Grande) in small groups over
decades. More significantly, William didn't have a band of academic
fifth-columnists undermining his target with drivelings about
"multi-culturalism."

In any case we better all learn to face the east when we pray (after
all, our president said it was "one of the world's great religions"
and we sure as hell better learn Spanish because our culture is bound
to disappear as the invaders show no interest at all in adopting our
language and our culture. The great promise of "multiculturalism"
doesn't really hold out much hope if we only look at the mayhem it is
producing in the rest of the world today. And if only some of these
addle-brained academics who are forming the minds of the next
generation would take a look at the writings of their not-too-distant
predecesors they would see that "multiculturalism" was the principal
cause of the collapse of the Roman Empire. The decline really began
when Rome began to grant its precious "citizenship" to all comers.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Some pretty heavy stuff in this thread.

You'd never guess that some of it is coming from the descendants
of a group of immigrants who almost wiped out a whole native
population . . .

JimB


nospam wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:00:52 -0800, "Ed Price"

wrote:

In re the immigration debate.

It's called "invasion and conquest by immigration" and I'm
afraid it's
gone so far there is no hope of liberating ourselves unless, of
course, the French are willing to come over and do for us what
we did
for them a few years back. Highly uinlikely since France, with
its
own immigration/conquest is rapidly becoming a
Muslim-controlled
nation and God knows Islam is not going to do anything for us
Infidels
other than dispatch us straight to Hell with not even 20
virgins to
accompany us..

Somebody in this thread said the Democrats are to blame for
seeking to
expand their power base by catering to them so that they could
be
added to Democratic voter roles. This was probably true in
the
beginning but the Republicans are now Hell bent on catching up,
viz
George XLII and his pandering to them via "legalization"
proposals.

Some mush-brained fool--probably a univ. prof.--said, in a
preceding
thread, how wonderful it was that this invasion is allowing us
to
incorporate new words into our language. I guess his mind is
back in
1066. He probably believes that we, the English-speaking
population
of this country, will benefit just as the primitives of the
British
Isles benefited from Guillaume's little invasion. Of course,
Guillaume did it honestly at Hastings. He didn't sneak his
invaders
across the Channel (substitute Rio Grande) in small groups over
decades. More significantly, William didn't have a band of
academic
fifth-columnists undermining his target with drivelings about
"multi-culturalism."

In any case we better all learn to face the east when we pray
(after
all, our president said it was "one of the world's great
religions"
and we sure as hell better learn Spanish because our culture is
bound
to disappear as the invaders show no interest at all in
adopting our
language and our culture. The great promise of
"multiculturalism"
doesn't really hold out much hope if we only look at the mayhem
it is
producing in the rest of the world today. And if only some of
these
addle-brained academics who are forming the minds of the next
generation would take a look at the writings of their
not-too-distant
predecesors they would see that "multiculturalism" was the
principal
cause of the collapse of the Roman Empire. The decline really
began
when Rome began to grant its precious "citizenship" to all
comers.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Some pretty heavy stuff in this thread.

You'd never guess that some of it is coming from the descendants
of a group of immigrants who almost wiped out a whole native
population . . .



That, in its time, displaced an even older population in the same hemisphere.

Kennewick Man.

The more we learn, the more amazing the human story becomes. It's why we should
welcome more cultural traditions.............
(but those who bring said traditions should immigrate legally)

Gould 0738 wrote in message
...
Some pretty heavy stuff in this thread.

You'd never guess that some of it is coming from the
descendants
of a group of immigrants who almost wiped out a whole native
population . . .



That, in its time, displaced an even older population in the
same hemisphere.

Kennewick Man.

The more we learn, the more amazing the human story becomes.
It's why we should
welcome more cultural traditions.............
(but those who bring said traditions should immigrate legally)

In spite of the economic pressures 'sucking' them across the
borders? Ah, I forgot, there's no such force as suction!