"Road Rage!" wrote
I bet you can't sail backwards.

Didn't you see the list? Wilbard completed three consecutive single-handed
backward circumnavigations just yesterday. (I won't even go into what he did
with his other hand.)

"Road Rage!" wrote in message
...
That's all fine and good Wilbur but Capt Neal can sail his boat backwards
and maneuver it into a slip for the few rare times it is ever necessary. I
bet you can't sail backwards.

Never tried sailing backwards. Besides, the Good Captain can sail backwards
into his slip all he wants but I prefer anchoring out. Slips are for women
to wear under their skirts.

Wilbur Hubbard




"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Road Rage!" wrote in message
...
That's the impression I get.



You have good instincts and you are correct. Compared to me most of the
others who post here are duffers. Here are my credentials.


1) have lived aboard and cruised extensively since 1985.
2) have a Master license from USCG
3) aged mid-sixties with the mind and body of a 30-year-old
4) never had to be rescued or even close to it
5) never had a boat founder
6) have weathered aboard no fewer than 18 hurricanes and tropical storms
7) have a Ph.D. in English
8) IQ tested in the 145-160 range on standard tests professionally
administered
9) uncommonly handsome
10) three single-handed circumnavigations
11) continue to live aboard and cruise (Allied Seawind 32)
12) never abused illegal recreational drugs, can't abide people who do
13) outspoken and enjoy telling it like it is
14) can't abide wimps, sissies and pretenders like Geoff Schultz, for
example.
15) maintain with conviction that roll-up sails identify any cruiser as
lazy and inept
16) know for a fact that diesels are anathema to sailing
17) know for a fact that women have no place aboard a well-found cruiser
18) can sail circles around anybody who posts to this group
19) have natural 20-20 vision
20) world famous

The subscribers here are so very stupid and ignorant. The things they
discuss are mostly motor related or things they've read on the Internet.
They rarely go anywhere under sail let alone venture offshore. None of
these people live aboard permanently or have the balls to try it. None
can anchor under sail or sail out their anchors. Motor headed mentality
is all that's in evidence here. None of these people have the guts to
speak their mind; they have to couch everything in politically correct
terms.

Is it any wonder I tend to speak down to subscribers. I can't help it. I
stand so far above you all that it's laughable.

Wilbur Hubbard

In article ,
"Road Rage!" wrote:

That's the impression I get.

Your an Idiot....

"You" wrote in message
...

Your an Idiot....


No, you're the idiot. Only idiots live in Ketchikan. You can't even sail in
Ketchikan. Well, maybe one or two months out of a year. The Alaska Marine
Highway??? - gimme a break!

--
Gregory Hall

On 2008-06-09 20:35:32 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

3) aged mid-sixties with the mind and body of a 30-year-old

Evidence shows the mind of maybe a 12 year-old.

17) know for a fact that women have no place aboard a well-found cruiser

Further evidence. Sailing/voyaging without a well-found woman may be
many things, the least of which is "alone", but it's not well-found
cruising.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008061019440016807-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-06-09 20:35:32 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

3) aged mid-sixties with the mind and body of a 30-year-old

Evidence shows the mind of maybe a 12 year-old.

17) know for a fact that women have no place aboard a well-found cruiser

Further evidence. Sailing/voyaging without a well-found woman may be many
things, the least of which is "alone", but it's not well-found cruising.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


Have been checking your site. Nice boat but not too well integrated in the
accommodation. Looks like it's sort of flimsy furniture-wise and I had a
good laugh at the picture of the engine that brags about the access. Looks
pretty cramped in there to me.

Now, if you'd lose the womenfolk perhaps you'd be able to really take
advantage of the boat. If you were a dedicated lone-hander you would modify
the interior so it had two real sea berths, a better galley, a decent chart
table, more storage space for groceries, more water tankage and I sure hope
those aren't opening ports in the v-berth. If so, get rid of them or they
will surely sink your vessel if you ever do any serious off shore voyaging.

And that unbalance rudder is sure to be way too much of a chore, especially
when close-hauled. That keel, I don't think I'd trust it in heavy weather.
It looks to be only about four inches thick where it connects to the hull.
It's got to be way overstressed in that area.

The gel coat is very nice but, then again, that's something women appreciate
more.

The bulkhead repair looks to have been quite a job. Too bad they didn't do
it right in the first place.

You won't find a Coronado 27, for example, with any of the shortcomings I
listed above.

Too bad Capt. Neal took down his world famous mariner website. The
differences in quality between the Tanzer and the Coronado are readily
apparent. The Coronado is an obvious offshore capable yacht while the Tanzer
is a near coastal week-ender. But, to each his own.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Jere Lull" wrote
the mind of maybe a 12 year-old.

[Vox Groucho] ...and I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it.

On Jun 9, 6:33*pm, "Road Rage!" wrote:
That's the impression I get.


Hi RR, I fixed your typo!

Man you looked like a fool, careful next time.

Fred

On 2008-06-10 20:09:11 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/

Have been checking your site. Nice boat but not too well integrated in
the accommodation. Looks like it's sort of flimsy furniture-wise and I
had a good laugh at the picture of the engine that brags about the
access. Looks pretty cramped in there to me.

Was a tough pic to take, but everything aft of the doors is stowage,
tankage or engine. It echoes. You really have to see it to believe how
easy it is to access everything -- without taking anything apart or
removing panels. Morning checks are a 5-minute deal.

If you were a dedicated lone-hander

Don't want to be a lone-hander! That's what started this all.

you would modify the interior so it had two real sea berths

You didn't notice the "coffin berth" to starboard? Quite comfy on
either tack and you're not going to roll out. You also might have
missed how *comfy* the "V" is, with real foot-space for two and 6'8"
length. (I'm more interested the rack almost-always enjoyed.)

, a better galley,

Only used for coffee. In fact, since switched to a portable stove so I
could stay outside.

a decent chart table, more storage space for groceries,

Oh, you didn't notice how much stowage I have for groceries? -- two
deep shelves along most of the perimeter and caverns under all berths.

more water tankage and I sure hope those aren't opening ports in the v-berth.

Nope. Not needed.

And that unbalance rudder is sure to be way too much of a chore, especially
when close-hauled.

It's one-finger steering up through 20+ knots. (NACA 0012, with center
of lift 1" behind the pintles.)

That keel, I don't think I'd trust it in heavy weather. It looks to be
only about four inches thick where it connects to the hull. It's got to
be way overstressed in that area.

What you don't see is the flange above, MUCH wider. That thinness, btw,
improves the water flow right where it counts. You missed that the
keel's not NACA, but sorta slabby tapered.

The bulkhead repair looks to have been quite a job. Too bad they didn't
do it right in the first place.

That was my error in not fixing a persistent leak. Replacement pretty
easy, most of it done single-handed over a weekend. (and I varnished a
bunch of the furniture the same weekend.)

You won't find a Coronado 27, for example, with any of the shortcomings
I listed above.

snicker We saw some when we were doing "the search".

Too bad Capt. Neal took down his world famous mariner website. The
differences in quality between the Tanzer and the Coronado are readily
apparent.

You missed a *number* of points -- not unexpected as they're subtle,
such as the oak beam above the bulkhead and the longitudinal oak beam
above

The Coronado is an obvious offshore capable yacht while the Tanzer is a
near coastal week-ender. But, to each his own.

They're both rated near-coastal, though a couple of Xan's sisters have
done the Med and back on their own keels (one twice) and I am in
occasional contact with two doing some years in the Caribbean.

But coastal's fine for me for the foreseeable future, island-hopping
with a couple of 1-2 day legs between anchorages. I've no interest in
going outside of the east coast and Caribbean for a while, and there
are a bunch of places along that path we want to visit. Why rush,
bypassing all of them?

Now, where Xan will really show the Coronado up is under sail. She
leaves them in her wake without even working hard. In a race, we'd have
to give them 20 seconds a mile.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008061203070616807-jerelull@maccom...
On 2008-06-10 20:09:11 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/

Have been checking your site. Nice boat but not too well integrated in
the accommodation. Looks like it's sort of flimsy furniture-wise and I
had a good laugh at the picture of the engine that brags about the
access. Looks pretty cramped in there to me.

Was a tough pic to take, but everything aft of the doors is stowage,
tankage or engine. It echoes. You really have to see it to believe how
easy it is to access everything -- without taking anything apart or
removing panels. Morning checks are a 5-minute deal.

If you were a dedicated lone-hander

Don't want to be a lone-hander! That's what started this all.

you would modify the interior so it had two real sea berths

You didn't notice the "coffin berth" to starboard? Quite comfy on either
tack and you're not going to roll out. You also might have missed how
*comfy* the "V" is, with real foot-space for two and 6'8" length. (I'm
more interested the rack almost-always enjoyed.)

, a better galley,

Only used for coffee. In fact, since switched to a portable stove so I
could stay outside.

a decent chart table, more storage space for groceries,

Oh, you didn't notice how much stowage I have for groceries? -- two deep
shelves along most of the perimeter and caverns under all berths.

more water tankage and I sure hope those aren't opening ports in the
v-berth.

Nope. Not needed.

And that unbalance rudder is sure to be way too much of a chore,
especially
when close-hauled.

It's one-finger steering up through 20+ knots. (NACA 0012, with center of
lift 1" behind the pintles.)

That keel, I don't think I'd trust it in heavy weather. It looks to be
only about four inches thick where it connects to the hull. It's got to
be way overstressed in that area.

What you don't see is the flange above, MUCH wider. That thinness, btw,
improves the water flow right where it counts. You missed that the keel's
not NACA, but sorta slabby tapered.

The bulkhead repair looks to have been quite a job. Too bad they didn't
do it right in the first place.

That was my error in not fixing a persistent leak. Replacement pretty
easy, most of it done single-handed over a weekend. (and I varnished a
bunch of the furniture the same weekend.)

You won't find a Coronado 27, for example, with any of the shortcomings I
listed above.

snicker We saw some when we were doing "the search".

Too bad Capt. Neal took down his world famous mariner website. The
differences in quality between the Tanzer and the Coronado are readily
apparent.

You missed a *number* of points -- not unexpected as they're subtle, such
as the oak beam above the bulkhead and the longitudinal oak beam above

The Coronado is an obvious offshore capable yacht while the Tanzer is a
near coastal week-ender. But, to each his own.

They're both rated near-coastal, though a couple of Xan's sisters have
done the Med and back on their own keels (one twice) and I am in
occasional contact with two doing some years in the Caribbean.

But coastal's fine for me for the foreseeable future, island-hopping with
a couple of 1-2 day legs between anchorages. I've no interest in going
outside of the east coast and Caribbean for a while, and there are a bunch
of places along that path we want to visit. Why rush, bypassing all of
them?

Now, where Xan will really show the Coronado up is under sail. She leaves
them in her wake without even working hard. In a race, we'd have to give
them 20 seconds a mile.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/



I like the look of the Tanzer... sort of a flat-top like some of the Cals,
but it has portlights aplenty.


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"j" ganz @@
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