House Committee Passes Clean Boating Act of 2008, Moves Bill to Full House
for Consideration
Time running out for America's boaters; NMMA continues call for action

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http://www.boatblue.org/news.aspx?id=17345

"claus" wrote in message
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House Committee Passes Clean Boating Act of 2008, Moves Bill to Full House
for Consideration
Time running out for America's boaters; NMMA continues call for action

Details he

http://www.boatblue.org/news.aspx?id=17345


The Clean Boating Act is a good thing because it exempts recreational boats
from having to comply with federal clean water standards that are intended
for shipping and industry. It is necessary only because some ignorant
liberal judge legislated from the bench and said all boats must comply with
laws that were never intended for recreational vessels.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:56 -0700, "claus" said:

House Committee Passes Clean Boating Act of 2008, Moves Bill to Full House
for Consideration
Time running out for America's boaters; NMMA continues call for action

I haven't read the case referred to in the article. But if the summary is
accurate and the case related only to ballast water from commercial
vessels,
then this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. Anything the court said
relating to recreational vessels would be what lawyers call
"dicta"--language having no value whatever as precedent.

Well, duh, it appears you are in error. Why would the industry go to the
trouble of writing and sponsoring legislation to exclude recreational
boating from some liberal judge's legislating from the bench if they could
just appeal the "dicta" to a higher court, get it overturned and return to
normalcy?

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Gregory Hall

On Thu, 22 May 08, "claus" said:
House Committee Passes Clean Boating Act of 2008, Moves Bill to Full House
for Consideration
Time running out for America's boaters; NMMA continues call for action

On 22 May 08, Dave wrote:
I haven't read the case referred to in the article. But if the summary is
accurate and the case related only to ballast water from commercial vessels,
then this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. Anything the court said
relating to recreational vessels would be what lawyers call
"dicta"--language having no value whatever as precedent.

My understanding is that the precedent set by the Court has a LOT of
value backed up by aurthority. Which is why this act is needed.
But there is certainly no cause for alarm here. And for anyone not
interested in reading the whole article, here are just some snippets
from the first three paragraphs.

First paragraph snippet: The National Marine Manufacturers Association
(NMMA) today applauded the House Transportation & Infrastructure
Committee (T&I) for approving commonsense legislation

Second paragraph snippet: The Clean Boating Act is a bipartisan, good
government solution to a looming administrative and legal crisis for
boaters across America,

Third paragraph snippet: NMMA also wishes to thank Rep. Gene Taylor of
Mississippi, Co-Chair of the House Boating Caucus, who along with Rep.
Miller brought us to this important point by introducing and
advocating tirelessly for H.R. 2550, the Recreational Boating Act of
2007,” added Gudes. “H.R. 2550, which accumulated nearly 100
bipartisan cosponsors, was absolutely crucial, and Congressman Taylor
is to be commended.

Gene Taylor is my representative and I voted for the guy based mainly
on the fact that he's a life long sailor and recreational boater.
Doesn't surprise me that he was on top of this issue.
The headlines seem as though there's cause for alarm here but in fact,
the reverse is true.

Rick

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On Thu, 22 May 08, "claus" said:
House Committee Passes Clean Boating Act of 2008, Moves Bill to Full
House
for Consideration

Now they just need to smack the farming industry around to get them to stop
overusing fertilizer and other chemicals. The run-off from that is FAR
worse.

"claus" wrote in news:J9WdnejLN_
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http://www.boatblue.org/news.aspx?id=17345

"he Clean Boating Act has the support of the $37 billion recreational
marine industry, the nation’s 59 million adult recreational boaters and
more than 50 organizations involved in outdoor recreation, sportfishing,
hunting and conservation."

Ya know, if just 10% of the 59M boaters would suddenly apply for the
permit...even for the permit application forms...from the bureaucrats, it
would bring the whole place to its knees for months and months, making it
all a big joke.

How about 10% per MONTH apply? That would keep 'em piled in **** for
years! They'd never recover.

This has been done before, but not by a bunch of independent hermits like
boaters.

5.9 million application form requests on the first Wednesday of every
month, followed by 5.9 million filled in application forms arriving on the
3rd Wednesday of every month....a coordinated effort to send a message....

Government isn't a no wake zone...(c;

"Bill Kearney" wrote in
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Now they just need to smack the farming industry around to get them to
stop overusing fertilizer and other chemicals. The run-off from that
is FAR worse.



Monsanto controls farming now. They'd never permit any such
shenanigans....

Hell, Monsanto is suing family farmers for storing their own seeds that
have become contaminated with Monsanto's patented genes from neighbor's
Monsanto-planted fields! The family farmers are being shoved hard to pay
for indefensible defense. Once contaminated with Monsanto's genes, they
are doomed to buy Monsanto's seeds forever.

Some day, Monsanto's genes are going to connect themselves to the weeds
Roundup kills, making the weeds ALSO Roundup proof...and every other
herbicide proof in the process. We'll all starve from the disaster, but
never mind as most live in the city and never consider such things.

CBC had a fantastic documentary about the Monsanto suits in Canada.
Monsanto owns Canada, too.

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Every major boating association including BoatUS seems to have a view
that differs from yours, and not in a small way. It relates to all
discharges from all vessels, including rain runoff from your deck.



Can I still **** off the marina dock to impress the girls?

They always scream and wave and point and laugh...(c;

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 02:45:49 +0000, Larry said:

Ya know, if just 10% of the 59M boaters would suddenly apply for the
permit...even for the permit application forms...from the bureaucrats, it
would bring the whole place to its knees for months and months, making it
all a big joke.

You forget the bureaucratic imperative--never ignore an opportunity to
expand your empire. You'd immediately hear the cry from a coalition of
enviros and bureaucrats to hire more people and throw more money at the
agency responsible for issuing the permits.


The alternative being to ignore the environmental issues and continue to
pollute with the tacit approval of the oil companies (I mean the Bush
administration - a group that has expanded gov't more than any in recent
history not reduced it). Vote McCain - four more years!!

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www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:31 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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The alternative being to ignore the environmental issues and continue to
pollute

So, Jon, I take it you favor requiring boaters to get permits from the EPA
before washing their boats?


Not at all. I'm in favor of responsible laws and enforcement. Your claim
that enviros and bureaucrats are teaming up against boaters was a bit
far-fetched, given the current administration certainly.

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"j" ganz @@
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