"Peter" wrote in message
...
Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com:

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about
double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing
when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a
much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested?
Wilbur Hubbard

The last time that I checked, the distance from Bermuda to the BVIs was
about 800 nm. Glancing at a chart, I'd guess that it's about the same, or
longer, from Miami to Bermuda, or a total of 1600+ NM.

I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably
even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. .

I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably
even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Last time I checked it was about 1200 miles as the crow flies from Miami to
the BVIs. Now when you consider it's a beat the whole way because of the
prevailing winds aggravated by a current setting against you, just do the
math. I didn't say it would end up being 2400 miles but it's probably going
to be 1800 all told. So what would you prefer to do. Slog to weather against
prevailing winds and adverse current for 1800 miles or close reach and reach
about the same distance via the sailing route. If you're a sailor you'll
chose the latter.

If you're an ignorant putz like ReeBitch you'll choose the former and during
the peak of hurricane season to boot, fully believing in luck and your
ability to foresee the weather signs and outrun the hurricane to some
dubious shelter. Even Capt. Skippy isn't THAT stupid!

Wilbur Hubbard

On May 5, 5:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message

...

Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wow you really are misguided. How about this for an answer: Their
itinerary dictates that they have a destination first, THEN carry on
with fun sailing. And yes, today's boats allow for tacking, not
worldwide adventure routes. Sailing has come to whatever people want
sailing to be. And motorboats are a very valid way of boating. It's
pompous boneheads like you that insult others that give sailing a bad
name.

On May 5, 5:09*pm, BeeRich wrote:
On May 5, 5:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:





"Peter" wrote in message

...

Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wow you really are misguided. *How about this for an answer: *Their
itinerary dictates that they have a destination first, THEN carry on
with fun sailing. *And yes, today's boats allow for tacking, not
worldwide adventure routes. *Sailing has come to whatever people want
sailing to be. *And motorboats are a very valid way of boating. *It's
pompous boneheads like you that insult others that give sailing a bad
name.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know, Wilbur, I haven't posted very often on this forum, but I
have read a good many of the posts. If the number of miles you have
sailed equalled even half the number of negative posts that you have
posted, you might have a tad of credibility. I am sick of reading
your foolish trash. To respond to your ridiculous question, no it
doesn't tell me anyting about my personal odds for success. The fact
is that of those who sail in the Caribbean during hurricane season,
only a minority encounter any problems. As a matter of fact, I have
sailed in the Caribbean during hurrican season and intend to do so
again this year. The pontifications of armchair sailors like yourself
do not contribute anything to the discussion.

On May 5, 4:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message

...

Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and
a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely.

And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds
of success?

And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double
that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can
travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time
via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days
when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on
their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing,
have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad
name.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Peter" wrote in message
...
You know, Wilbur, I haven't posted very often on this forum, but I
have read a good many of the posts. If the number of miles you have
sailed equalled even half the number of negative posts that you have
posted, you might have a tad of credibility. I am sick of reading
your foolish trash. To respond to your ridiculous question, no it
doesn't tell me anyting about my personal odds for success. The fact
is that of those who sail in the Caribbean during hurricane season,
only a minority encounter any problems. As a matter of fact, I have
sailed in the Caribbean during hurrican season and intend to do so
again this year. The pontifications of armchair sailors like yourself
do not contribute anything to the discussion.


And therein lies the difference between you and me and ReeBitch.

1) You apparently have some offshore sailing experience in the area in
question. ReeBitch has none.

2) You apparently have some awareness of the danger of tropical storms and
the time of the year of hurricane season. ReeBitch wasn't even aware of
hurricane season and the frequency of hurricanes during peak months of that
season.

3) You are somewhat seasoned while ReeBitch has never sailed offshore. Lake
sailor at best.

4) You probably have a seaworthy vessel. ReeBitch has a small Hunter or
similar cheap, coastal only boat.

5) You don't sail on a schedule since you're experienced enough to know it
doesn't work. ReeBitch's main planning point is to schedule around a land
based itinerary.

6) I've been cruising and have lived aboard since 1985. I have more time and
miles aboard my boat than the combined total of so-called sailors in this
group. I know of which I speak. I have experienced aboard my yacht more
hurricanes than the lot of you put together. (Try a total of 28 tropical
storms and hurricanes each and every one with no or minor damage - and none
of them offshore where I would have died).

Unlike ReeBitch I have a very good grasp of the time and distances of what
might look like a hop, skip and a jump such as from Miami to BVI. I know it
is anything but. Many lubbers like ReeBitch have a lubbers idea of distance.
They judge distances by how far they can drive in a day. "Why," they yammer,
"1200 miles ain't nothing. That's only two days driving." Little do they
realize that against wind and current they will be lucky to cover 50 miles
toward their destination in a 24 hour period. That turns a 1200 mile sailing
trip into a 24 day ordeal and that's if the boat doesn't break which it
likely will. Offshore voyagers rarely subject their vessels to such abuse
and their vessels are probably ten times as stout as some Hunter type.

And if they stop and wait for "weather windows" that don't occur during the
time of the year they wish to travel their 24 day ordeal will likely turn
into a six month debacle. There are very few weather windows in the Trades
in the summer. About the only thing that turns the prevailing winds is a
hurricane. Do you "work" hurricanes? Do you suggest others try it? I doubt
it.

So try to consider that ReeBitch is a rank, ignorant, novice who is totally
clueless when it comes to offshore voyaging. You've heard the sad saga of
the captain and crew of the "Red Cloud" no doubt. The captain had years of
offshore experience or so he claimed. But, he was done in by a little ole
cold front in the Gulf of Mexico that had sustained winds of only 45-50 or
so knots. And you think lamers like ReeBitch have any chance of success at
all voyaging hundreds of miles offshore at the height of hurricane season in
a flimsy Hunter? Why do you encourage such irresponsible behavior?

Wilbur Hubbard