"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:53:44 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
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On 2008-04-14 19:58:04 -0400, Bloody Horvath said:

35 lbs. is hardly more than a sixteen pound bowling ball in each hand.
If you can't handle that... shape up or ship out.

My sixteen year old nephew can pull up the anchor.

Don't forget the chain. We are a size (or maybe two) big on 30' of
chain,
so have an additional 30# to haul up. Mud can weigh a bit, too.

I just imagine most 5'2" 125# women trying to haul that by hand.

Yeah, we can lighten our anchor & chain, but would first get a windlass,
as we sleep better with what we have mounted.

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Jere Lull
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Jere... he doesn't actually sail and he certainly has never had to deal
with
an anchor/chain combo. 30 feet of chain ain't nuthin if you have a
all-chain
rode.

Try 200 ft. of chain.......
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)


I always get my crew to do this so I don't have to try. LOL

We had a windlass die in the BVIs... pretty calm conditions, anchored in
about 15 ft. I'm glad I wasn't the one doing the hauling to get the anchor
up.


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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:51 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

That will certainly work but all chain has its advantages also:

- less scope required for average conditions

- resulting smaller swing radius

- almost no chance of being cut by an errant prop on an other boat

Nylon also loses a great deal of its original strength when it is wet,
abraded, or as it ages. I regard rigging a snubber as an advantage
because it off-loads the bow pulpit and lowers the effective freeboard
height.



Certainly true... both of course have advantages/disadvantages. If you're
conscientious about checking your ground tackle (as with other vital pieces
of equipment), you're going to have more of the advantages and fewer of the
disadvantages.

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On Apr 15, 4:08 am, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On my next boat I'm going to about 50 - 100 ft. of chain and a nylon
rode. Actually the rope is stronger then the chain and you don't have
to rig a snubber every night.

You're in coral country aren't you? Coral sand erodes nylon and coral
cuts it. My take on this is that in light winds when the chain is
lying on the bottom you want the nylon well above the level of any
bommies that might be around and still want enough scope out to be
safe. I've been using 35m (~114') of 10mm (~3/8) chain and wouldn't
go with much less. Indeed, I just replaced that with 150' of
nominally 5/16 (actually 9mm) G43. Rigging a snubber is pretty easy
work.

-- Tom.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:17:29 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

We had a windlass die in the BVIs... pretty calm conditions, anchored in
about 15 ft. I'm glad I wasn't the one doing the hauling to get the anchor
up.

It's important to have a contingency plan for dealing with windlass
failure. This is relatively easy on a sailboat, just bend another
piece of line onto your snubber and lead it aft to a primary winch,
using snatch blocks to get a fair lead.

On my trawler I carry a piece of gear called a "come along".

http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/hanpowpulcom.html

I can rig the come along to a mid-ship cleat and pull about 20 feet of
chain, stop it off, get a new purchase, and pull another 20 feet.
It's slow going but it will work in an emergency. It's useful for
other things also, like hoisting 8D batteries out of inaccessible
locations.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:17:29 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

We had a windlass die in the BVIs... pretty calm conditions, anchored in
about 15 ft. I'm glad I wasn't the one doing the hauling to get the anchor
up.

It's important to have a contingency plan for dealing with windlass
failure. This is relatively easy on a sailboat, just bend another
piece of line onto your snubber and lead it aft to a primary winch,
using snatch blocks to get a fair lead.

On my trawler I carry a piece of gear called a "come along".

http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/hanpowpulcom.html

I can rig the come along to a mid-ship cleat and pull about 20 feet of
chain, stop it off, get a new purchase, and pull another 20 feet.
It's slow going but it will work in an emergency. It's useful for
other things also, like hoisting 8D batteries out of inaccessible
locations.



Familiar with come-alongs... used to use them for gold-mining in the
Sierras. They work great for moving boulders, so a puny winch shouldn't be a
problem. Nice suggestion/method.



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:24:27 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Familiar with come-alongs... used to use them for gold-mining in the
Sierras. They work great for moving boulders, so a puny winch shouldn't be a
problem. Nice suggestion/method.

Who would have guessed we had a former gold miner in our midst. :-)
I'm always amazed at the wide assortment of talent represented here.

I also carry a come along and a danforth anchor in my truck. The
anchor is very useful for off road 4 wheeling if you get stuck and
there is no convenient tree handy.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:24:27 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Familiar with come-alongs... used to use them for gold-mining in the
Sierras. They work great for moving boulders, so a puny winch shouldn't be
a
problem. Nice suggestion/method.

Who would have guessed we had a former gold miner in our midst. :-)
I'm always amazed at the wide assortment of talent represented here.

I also carry a come along and a danforth anchor in my truck. The
anchor is very useful for off road 4 wheeling if you get stuck and
there is no convenient tree handy.



It was an interesting time. I was using an 8-inch dredge powered by a 16
horse engine sitting on two pontoons. We would anchor it in the river. The
engine ran two hooka attachments, so you could have two people under water
at the same time. We had two people on the surface feeding the gasoline and
moving the tailings. It was quite an endeavor. Here's a link to pics of some
of what I found: http://picasaweb.google.com/SailNOW.com/GoldFromSierras

I also used to have a CJ-7 with a winch, but it was too wimpy to drag the
jeep sideways. We would usually just wait under the shade tree if really
stuck. Someone always came by eventually, and we had plenty of beer.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:45:48 -0400, Gogarty
wrote this crap:

35 lbs. is hardly more than a sixteen pound bowling ball in each hand.
If you can't handle that... shape up or ship out.

My sixteen year old nephew can pull up the anchor.

Well, goody for your sixteen year old nephew. I am sure my 21 year old
grandson would have no trouble either. He goes up the past like a monkey. But
I am somewhat older and shorter of breath than those guys are and I find a
Delta 35 with all chain rode to be a bit of chore by hand.


Wuss.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:38:01 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote:

Thus, as I said, the limiting factor isn't boat size or anchor
weight but really, sail area.

You need a better sail handling system. Do you have lazy jacks, dutch
men, and/or a stack pack system? I have seen one person easily handle
the mainsail on a 70 footer using all the above (and an electric
halyard winch).

It is also important to have your halyard and jiffy reefing lines run
back to the cockpit with stoppers and winches, halyard on one side,
jiffy reefing on the other.


Jiffy reefing but it seems that in a real blow, I have a very hard time
of it. I've never had a hard time with my 65 lb anchor / chain / rope rode.

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:41:41 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:08:09 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

One could run the rode back to the primary winches but I don't
think they would handle chain very well.
The sailing battleships had a hemp rode something like four inches in
diameter, They would attach a length of smaller stuff to the rode and
lead that to the capstan.

Casady

They also had a crew of 400 men.


Ah, you may want to do a recount on that one.