JimC wrote:

Ganz, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or
15 Macs breaking up and sinking. Under any conditions. - Could you do
that for us Ganz?


Jim, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or 15
Macs actually venturing out in conditions that might cause other boats
to break up and sink. - Could you do that for us Jim?

Ok, we'll settle for 5.

How about just 2?

"jeff" wrote in message
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JimC wrote:

Ganz, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or 15
Macs breaking up and sinking. Under any conditions. - Could you do that
for us Ganz?


Jim, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or 15
Macs actually venturing out in conditions that might cause other boats to
break up and sink. - Could you do that for us Jim?

Ok, we'll settle for 5.

How about just 2?


Jeff, please don't Mac bash....

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jeff wrote:

JimC wrote:


Ganz, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or
15 Macs breaking up and sinking. Under any conditions. - Could you do
that for us Ganz?


Jim, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or 15
Macs actually venturing out in conditions that might cause other boats
to break up and sink. - Could you do that for us Jim?

Ok, we'll settle for 5.

How about just 2?


Jeff, like Ganz, you seem to love posting supercilious responses to what
you THINK I said, or what you would LIKED for me to have said, or what
your caracature of Mac owners WOULD have said, rather than what I did
say. As previously noted, I have not stated that the Mac is suitable for
extensive blue water sailing or extended crossings. In fact, I said just
the opposite, that it isn't a blue water boat suited for extended
crossings.

Note also that I didn't say that they are routinely sailed offshore in
difficult conditions. - I merely stated that if Joe had been on a
Mac26, with its positive floatation, I thought his boat would have
stayed afloat, permitting him to recover it rather than having it sink
to the floor of the Gulf of Mexico.

Please note that it wasn't me who initiated the assertions that the Mac
would break up and sink (or roll over and over like a washing machine)
in heavy weather conditions. - It was Ganz, and a few of his
Mac-baching buddies.

MY ASSERTION WAS THAT NEITHER GANZ, OR ANY OF HIS MAC-BASHING BUDDIES,
HAVE PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE MAC WOULD BREAK UP AND SINK IN HEAVY
WEATHER CONDITIONS.

I stand by and will continue to support THAT assertion. However, don't
put words in my mouth and ask me to support assertions you wish I had
made, or thought I had made, but didn't.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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Note also that I didn't say that they are routinely sailed offshore in
difficult conditions. - I merely stated that if Joe had been on a Mac26,
with its positive floatation, I thought his boat would have stayed afloat,
permitting him to recover it rather than having it sink to the floor of
the Gulf of Mexico.

Key phrase "I thought." You done thunked wrong.


Please note that it wasn't me who initiated the assertions that the Mac
would break up and sink (or roll over and over like a washing machine) in
heavy weather conditions. - It was Ganz, and a few of his Mac-baching
buddies.

It's a vast Mac-bashing conspiracy! Alert the media.

Please produce some evidence that it wouldn't roll over and over creating
the effect of being in a washing machine if you were below decks.

MY ASSERTION WAS THAT NEITHER GANZ, OR ANY OF HIS MAC-BASHING BUDDIES,
HAVE PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE MAC WOULD BREAK UP AND SINK IN HEAVY
WEATHER CONDITIONS.

Please say it a bit louder. We can't HEAR YOU!

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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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Note also that I didn't say that they are routinely sailed offshore in
difficult conditions. - I merely stated that if Joe had been on a Mac26,
with its positive floatation, I thought his boat would have stayed afloat,
permitting him to recover it rather than having it sink to the floor of
the Gulf of Mexico.


Key phrase "I thought." You done thunked wrong.

In your opinion, of course.


Please note that it wasn't me who initiated the assertions that the Mac
would break up and sink (or roll over and over like a washing machine) in
heavy weather conditions. - It was Ganz, and a few of his Mac-baching
buddies.


It's a vast Mac-bashing conspiracy! Alert the media.

Please produce some evidence that it wouldn't roll over and over creating
the effect of being in a washing machine if you were below decks.

Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.


MY ASSERTION WAS THAT NEITHER GANZ, OR ANY OF HIS MAC-BASHING BUDDIES,
HAVE PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE MAC WOULD BREAK UP AND SINK IN HEAVY
WEATHER CONDITIONS.


Please say it a bit louder. We can't HEAR YOU!

If you hear me, then why don't you respond to my statement? Why do you
insist on running down all those tangents and rabbit trails?


Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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In your opinion, of course.

As opposed to??

Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.

That's what happens when a boat is dismasted and starts to roll in heavy
seas. It sometimes only rolls once, but is just as likely to roll over and
over. Are you disputing this?

If you hear me, then why don't you respond to my statement? Why do you
insist on running down all those tangents and rabbit trails?

Like the poor quality of the Mac rig?


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www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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In your opinion, of course.


As opposed to??


Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.


That's what happens when a boat is dismasted and starts to roll in heavy
seas. It sometimes only rolls once, but is just as likely to roll over and
over. Are you disputing this?


Seems to me we have been through this issue already, Ganz. - My point is
that you have no evidence whatsoever as to whether or not a Mac 26M,
with sea anchor deployed, would have rolled, much less roll over and
over and over like a washing machine.


Jim