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... On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:47:19 -0400, Marty wrote: JimC wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... snipping Zzzzzz... this thread is dead Jim... LOL The string is dead? Well, some of us have interests and responsibilities beyond participating in such a discussion. Also, I spent the afternoon this Saturday sailing my boat, something I don't seem often to see with respect to you and your buddies posting in this string. - It's strange, but you and most of your anti-Mac buddies seem to get their jollies from bashing us Mac sailors, whereas we Mac sailors get pleasure from sailing our Macs. But I'll get back to you, and also to your Mac-bashing buddies. That's a promise. Getting a bit paranoid there Jim. Nobody was bashing Macs, just bashing the idea that they were sufficiently seaworthy as to be taken off shore and brave open ocean storms. Now go take a pill and relax, Macs have their place, as do canoes and paddle boats. And pool noodles! I love pool noodles! We had them by the dozens on Lake Mead last summer... so much fun! Yeah! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Marty wrote: JimC wrote: keep that tendency a secret. - Yet so far, no one (on this ng or on the Mac owners ng) has even heard of ANY Mac26 breaking up and sinking, in heavy weather conditions, collisions, or other forms of stress. Nor has anyone posted any credible evidence of a Mac26m/x surviving such conditions. Perhaps because no one has been stupid enough to try it. Cheers Marty Marty, in view of the fact that no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted any accounts of any of the thousands of Mac 26Ms breaking up and sinking under any conditions, as was initially claimed, do you really think they have such a propensity? Seems to me that since that was what was claimed, we should expect some proof or evidence of some sort from Ganz and his buddies. If Ganz would just post ten or so accounts of such Mac "sinkings," then I'll do my best to research the issue further. For the time being, though, it should be apparent that I'm responding to some 15 or so Mac-bashers simultaneously (not really difficult, but it does get to be time-consuming), so I don't have lots of free time for extensive research. In any event, have a nice evening Marty. Jim Jim, Jim... it's not about bashing Macs, which is certainly easy to do. It's about the choices one makes. For some people, I'm sure you're one of them, and for some sailing locals and conditions, they're fine, perhaps even great. But, they're not for offshore, which should be obvious to anyone who has taken a look at the boat in general and the standing rigging in particular. Even you must admit that the rigging isn't comparable to a true offshore-capable boat. Ganz, you are partially correct. I agree that the Macs aren't the best choice for extended offshore crossings. - They can be uncomfortable in heavy weather, and they obviously don't have the size and storage capacity normally required for such crossings. However, you are incorrect when you compare their standing rigging to that of heavier, larger, offshore boats. - Your error is that you seem to be assuming that the rigging used in such large, heavy boats (e.g., 10 - 30 tons, with heavy, deep keels) should also be required for the Macs (26 feet, without heavy deep keel, and displacing only about 4,000 lbs. loaded with crew, motor, ballast, etc.). In other words, you are assuming that because heavy rigging is used on the ocean-going boats with which you are familiar, the Macs' lighter rigging, designed for the substantially smaller and lighter boat, is deficient. You are inferring that they are equivalent, but they're obviously not. But, once again, if you can provide 10 or 15 examples of the Macs' rigging failing in heavy weather, with resulting loss of boat or crew, I'll be interested in seeing your evidence. Jim I suspect that you're not dumb enough to take your boat out in conditions that Joe and a few others here have taken their boats. If you are dumb enough, I hope you survive to put us all down properly. |
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Marty wrote: JimC wrote: Marty wrote: JimC wrote: keep that tendency a secret. - Yet so far, no one (on this ng or on the Mac owners ng) has even heard of ANY Mac26 breaking up and sinking, in heavy weather conditions, collisions, or other forms of stress. Nor has anyone posted any credible evidence of a Mac26m/x surviving such conditions. Perhaps because no one has been stupid enough to try it. Cheers Marty Marty, in view of the fact that no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted any accounts of any of the thousands of Mac 26Ms breaking up and sinking under any conditions, as was initially claimed, Whoa, stop! Who claimed that "thousands of Mac26Ms" broke up? Cheers Marty Marty, as I suspect you're sixth-grade teachers probably told you, you need to read and understand the question before you write your answer. - Clearly, I didn't say that "thousands of Mac26m's broke up." Instead, I said that even though there are thousands of Mac 26s out there being sailed in US and foreign waters, "no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted ANY accounts of ANY of the thousands of Mac26M's breaking up and sinking under ANY conditions..." Read your own post Marty. Jim |
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Capt. JG wrote: "Marty" wrote in message ... JimC wrote: Marty wrote: JimC wrote: keep that tendency a secret. - Yet so far, no one (on this ng or on the Mac owners ng) has even heard of ANY Mac26 breaking up and sinking, in heavy weather conditions, collisions, or other forms of stress. Nor has anyone posted any credible evidence of a Mac26m/x surviving such conditions. Perhaps because no one has been stupid enough to try it. Cheers Marty Marty, in view of the fact that no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted any accounts of any of the thousands of Mac 26Ms breaking up and sinking under any conditions, as was initially claimed, Whoa, stop! Who claimed that "thousands of Mac26Ms" broke up? Cheers Marty I did, apparently! LOL Maybe there's a meta message here from Jim.... Ganz, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or 15 Macs breaking up and sinking. Under any conditions. - Could you do that for us Ganz? Jim |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Marty wrote: JimC wrote: keep that tendency a secret. - Yet so far, no one (on this ng or on the Mac owners ng) has even heard of ANY Mac26 breaking up and sinking, in heavy weather conditions, collisions, or other forms of stress. Nor has anyone posted any credible evidence of a Mac26m/x surviving such conditions. Perhaps because no one has been stupid enough to try it. Cheers Marty Marty, in view of the fact that no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted any accounts of any of the thousands of Mac 26Ms breaking up and sinking under any conditions, as was initially claimed, do you really think they have such a propensity? Seems to me that since that was what was claimed, we should expect some proof or evidence of some sort from Ganz and his buddies. If Ganz would just post ten or so accounts of such Mac "sinkings," then I'll do my best to research the issue further. For the time being, though, it should be apparent that I'm responding to some 15 or so Mac-bashers simultaneously (not really difficult, but it does get to be time-consuming), so I don't have lots of free time for extensive research. In any event, have a nice evening Marty. Jim Jim, Jim... it's not about bashing Macs, which is certainly easy to do. It's about the choices one makes. For some people, I'm sure you're one of them, and for some sailing locals and conditions, they're fine, perhaps even great. But, they're not for offshore, which should be obvious to anyone who has taken a look at the boat in general and the standing rigging in particular. Even you must admit that the rigging isn't comparable to a true offshore-capable boat. Ganz, you are partially correct. I agree that the Macs aren't the best choice for extended offshore crossings. - They can be uncomfortable in heavy weather, and they obviously don't have the size and storage capacity normally required for such crossings. However, you are incorrect when you compare their standing rigging to that of heavier, larger, offshore boats. - Your error is that you seem to be assuming that the rigging used in such large, heavy boats (e.g., 10 - 30 tons, with heavy, deep keels) should also be required for the Macs (26 feet, without heavy deep keel, and displacing only about 4,000 lbs. loaded with crew, motor, ballast, etc.). In other words, you are assuming that because heavy rigging is used on the ocean-going boats with which you are familiar, the Macs' lighter rigging, designed for the substantially smaller and lighter boat, is deficient. You are inferring that they are equivalent, but they're obviously not. But, once again, if you can provide 10 or 15 examples of the Macs' rigging failing in heavy weather, with resulting loss of boat or crew, I'll be interested in seeing your evidence. Jim Huh? Either they're appropriate to the size of a 26 ft boat or not that should go offshore. They're no appropriate on so many levels that I would run out of bandwidth trying to post them. It's deficient rigging. I've seen it. Find your own examples. I'm not interested in doing your homework for you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... Capt. JG wrote: "Marty" wrote in message ... JimC wrote: Marty wrote: JimC wrote: keep that tendency a secret. - Yet so far, no one (on this ng or on the Mac owners ng) has even heard of ANY Mac26 breaking up and sinking, in heavy weather conditions, collisions, or other forms of stress. Nor has anyone posted any credible evidence of a Mac26m/x surviving such conditions. Perhaps because no one has been stupid enough to try it. Cheers Marty Marty, in view of the fact that no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted any accounts of any of the thousands of Mac 26Ms breaking up and sinking under any conditions, as was initially claimed, Whoa, stop! Who claimed that "thousands of Mac26Ms" broke up? Cheers Marty I did, apparently! LOL Maybe there's a meta message here from Jim.... Ganz, I would be satisfied if you could provide evidence of just 10 or 15 Macs breaking up and sinking. Under any conditions. - Could you do that for us Ganz? Jim Just 10 or 15?? Wow. That's all it would take... LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... "The MacGregor 26 is built to outlast all of us. HAHAHAHAHA... now that's funny! Yeah, if you're on a resperator. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Marty wrote: JimC wrote: Marty wrote: JimC wrote: keep that tendency a secret. - Yet so far, no one (on this ng or on the Mac owners ng) has even heard of ANY Mac26 breaking up and sinking, in heavy weather conditions, collisions, or other forms of stress. Nor has anyone posted any credible evidence of a Mac26m/x surviving such conditions. Perhaps because no one has been stupid enough to try it. Cheers Marty Marty, in view of the fact that no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted any accounts of any of the thousands of Mac 26Ms breaking up and sinking under any conditions, as was initially claimed, Whoa, stop! Who claimed that "thousands of Mac26Ms" broke up? Cheers Marty Marty, as I suspect you're sixth-grade teachers probably told you, you need to read and understand the question before you write your answer. - Clearly, I didn't say that "thousands of Mac26m's broke up." Instead, I said that even though there are thousands of Mac 26s out there being sailed in US and foreign waters, "no one, on this board or elsewhere, has posted ANY accounts of ANY of the thousands of Mac26M's breaking up and sinking under ANY conditions..." Read your own post Marty. Jim Give it a rest Jim, when you can provide evidence of Mac26s completing ocean voyages in heavy weather we'll believe you. Hmmm ...... still looking I see,,,, Get back to us on that one. Cheers marty |
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