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Red Cloud Abandoned!
On Jan 2, 3:05 pm, Larry wrote:
Sad, indeed. He must have had HF/SSB aboard to call the hams, maybe on 14.300 Mhz. I wonder what he was doing out there without a 406 Mhz EPIRB? The story or video made no mention of an EPIRB alarm. Red Cloud did carry a 406 EPIRB that was activated www.rescuebeacon.biz |
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Marc Heusser d wrote in
: If it was one without GPS it may take max 2 hours to locate it Precisely the reason those units need to be taken off the market..... Larry -- Next time some broker tells you what a great investment he's selling, ask him about Rhodium, a shiny metal used in Catalytic Converters. Jan 1st 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 Rhodium $452 $1341 $3006 $5339 $6775 PER OUNCE! How much longer can we pay for new cars at this rate? Feb '97 it was $182/oz |
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On Jan 5, 10:56 pm, Marc Heusser
d wrote: In article , wrote: Red Cloud did carry a 406 EPIRB that was activated If it was one without GPS it may take max 2 hours to locate it (via SARSAT, since GEOSAR does not help locatin) - so maybe this was the reason for additionally calling via ham, and that this ermergency call arrived first. In an emergency one has to use whatever is avaiable, no regulation should forbid that. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com The model EPIRB Red Cloud carried did have integral GPS www.rescuebeacon.biz |
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On Jan 2, 2:05*pm, Larry wrote:
jeff wrote in news:G4ydnf64SN- : Joe didn't post here often, but for those that know him from ASA: http://www.khou.com/news/local/stori...grescue.c061dc.... A sad day - at least they are all safe. Sad, indeed. *He must have had HF/SSB aboard to call the hams, maybe on14.300Mhz. *I wonder what he was doing out there without a 406 Mhz EPIRB? * The story or video made no mention of an EPIRB alarm. Indeed, after calling for hours on 2182 with zero responce, I got Rooney on 14.300. We listen daily to the cruisng net for weather updates ect..ect.. Later called a passing ship and my friend meet me on another channel to have a pow wow with noaa and USCG SAR. They requested I activate the EPIRB when we decided it was time to go. I had a 406 that also broadcasted at 121 at the same time. Skipper says thanks Joe Sounded like the mainmast must have busted loose and was tearing the cabin roof apart. Glad they're all safe....including the dog. Larry -- Next time some broker tells you what a great investment he's selling, ask him about Rhodium, a shiny metal used in Catalytic Converters. Jan 1st * 2004 * 2005 * 2006 * 2007 * 2008 Rhodium *$452 * $1341 *$3006 *$5339 *$6775 PER OUNCE! How much longer can we pay for new cars at this rate? Feb '97 it was $182/oz |
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All good points, Larry. For what it is worth a few nationalities
still keep continuous radio watches on the official marine SSB voice distress frequencies: 2182 4125 6215 8291 12290 16420 With those you should at least be able to pick up Taupo Maritime Radio/ ZLM, New Zealand if you're in the South Pacific... I don't really know if anyone else is still listening. There are equivalent DSC frequencies for those so equipped. Also, there's usually a HAM on 14.300 who knows how to deal with a priority call. You don't need to be a HAM if you've got priority traffic -- don't let the radio cops scare you away! -- Tom. |
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In article
, " wrote: All good points, Larry. For what it is worth a few nationalities still keep continuous radio watches on the official marine SSB voice distress frequencies: From USCG (http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/MARCOMMS/...mdss_faq.htm): .... Can ships fitted for Sea Area A1 meet GMDSS carriage requirements if they stay within 20 nm of the U.S. shore?* Can ships fitted for Sea Area A2 meet the requirements of they stay within 70-100 nm of the U.S. shore?** Is the Gulf of Mexico a Sea Area A2? No.* GMDSS Sea Areas A1 and A2 are defined by shore radio coverage, not by distance offshore.* The Gulf of Mexico should never be a Sea Area A2 because of 2 MHz propagation limitations.* Except for some very limited MF DSC coverage around our Communications Stations, the U.S. currently has no operational Sea Areas A1 or A2.* Until these areas are in place, ships must fit for GMDSS Area A3, or request a waiver from the FCC.* We plan to publish expected Sea Area A2 coverage charts by summer 2001.* For more information, see the GMDSS Area webpage. .... GMDSS ships will be allowed to cease guarding VHF channel 16 on February 1, 2005, and have already ceased watchkeeping on 2182 kHz.* Is that safe?* How will ships not equipped with GMDSS (i.e. digital selective calling) be able to contact such ships in an emergency? That question was raised at the International Maritime Organization.* It was to prevent this interoperability problem that the date GMDSS ships may cease to guard VHF channel 16 was deferred six years, until 2005.* DSC should be common on new radios, and presumably, on ships not subject to GMDSS, by that date.* 2182 kHz watchkeeping is another matter.* In that case, an interoperability problem already exists.* Most SOLAS-regulated ships guarding 2182kHz do so using an autoalarm receiver, which can only be triggered by an autoalarm signal transmitted on 2182 kHz.* Autoalarm receivers and signal generators are not new;SOLAS-regulated ships have been using them for decades.* Since few ships not subject to GMDSS carry an autoalarm generator, they could not initiate contact on 2182 kHz with most SOLAS ships.* Extending the 2182 kHz watchkeeping date on those ships would benefit no one.** For that reason IMO decided to allow GMDSS-regulated ships to discontinue watchkeeping on 2182 kHz on February 1, 1999, as originally scheduled. *The U.S. Coast Guard will, of course, continue a listening watch, with a live watchstander, on both VHF channel 16 and 2182 kHz.* .... So it looks like propagation was the limit on 2182. 2182 has been phased out under GMDSS as watch channel, replaced by DSC frequencies. Too bad in this case. With a new transmitter the DSC distress and urgency calls are quite easy, and it is viable to send them in multiple bands in a few minutes. Most likely activating the EPIRB earlier would have been ok too. Anyway, it's always easy from a safe place - wish you'll never need it again. Marc -- remove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail http://www.heusser.com |
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Marc Heusser d wrote in
: Most likely activating the EPIRB earlier would have been ok too. Joe should have pushed the button on the 406 EPIRB......FIRST. Other distress comms would have been just to hear a friendly voice. Too bad the stupid asses who designed EPIRB made it one way to maximize profits on the units (no receivers to buy). There SHOULD have been a display next to the button that lit up with "We hear you and are on our way" to reassure the distressed persons the message has been received. Pressing the button and praying in such stress is really unnecessary. The solution is actually quite simple. They already have a GPS receiver aboard. If we FORCE the military bureaucrats to interface with the DoT bureaucrats, the return message could easily be uploaded to the GPS to light that light. Government bureaucrats need to be constantly reminded "The Bureau", whatever bureau they work for, isn't a separate planet. Larry -- As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value! |
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