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Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater 33) or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.



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Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

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wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater 33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.



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rich, you sail on the Chesepeake Bay, and on nice weather days. 38' feet is
considered on the upper edge for size for a single hander male, and 34 feet is
considered "about right". A woman might effectively consider something a tad
smaller and be very satisified indeed.

Sailing is not an endurance contest, nor is it a wait for days on end for lite
wind and weather to sail away, nor is turning on the engine because the winds
are too strong to raise the sails considered sailing.

As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.

Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater

33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.











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As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.


Most definitely disagree with that .... but for a reason that perhaps
you havent thought of: A TY37 has a relatively high CG thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling. ..... also much less tiring on long
distance travel.

I really dont understand the physically fit part as with good gear: BIG
winches, slick blocks and higher tech cordage its a breeze to handle,
comfy in a real blow, etc. Hell, with a boomed and vanged staysail,
she's a total self-tacker ---- dont even have to throw a sheet to
tack/gybe. If the genoa is on - just a single set of sheets to handle.
I race mine and find it almost boring in comparison to a fly-weight
'cork'. The only downside that I find to a TY37 is the huge sails
that when need to be removed/replaced ..... are too damn heavy (and
the ultralight super high tech fabric is 4 to 5 times as expensive).
..... lift 1000 sq. ft. set of 9oz. sails across a pitching deck
sometime and youll agree. Otherwise, IMHO - a TY 37 is an 'easy' boat
to sail (inertia/momentum)..

My wife has severe osteoporosis as a result of heavy chemotherapy, and
lots of 'missing' muscles .... with the proper gear she finds NO
problem singlehanding in most conditions - probably due to such a
stable platform. We used to campaign an ILYA scow .... she wont even
get on it anymore ... too physically demanding/tiring. SHE picked this
boat because of its seakindliness and easy handling (MY boat is still
the scow).

If I was in the market for a newer boat, Id definitely consider a
fractional rigged sloop - not as versatile as a cutter but easier to
power-up/power down.
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thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling.


I understand the US Navy spent some time and effort to see why sailors get
seasick, and how to stop or reduce it. I understand about 1/3 get sick from a
quick motion, 1/3 from a long motion, and the rest from a combination of the
two.

In addition, not only is a 600 sq ft main sail 3x the weight of a 200 ft sail,
it is also 3x time sq rt 3 more effort to tighten in against the wind. 3x
because it is 3x bigger, and sq rt 3 times because the circle you have to pull
in against gets bigger.

Still, a T-37 catches my attention.




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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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I understand the US Navy spent some time and effort to see why sailors get
seasick, and how to stop or reduce it. I understand about 1/3 get sick

from a
quick motion, 1/3 from a long motion, and the rest from a combination of

the
two.


I've seen people get sick going from a dock to a tied-up boat- that's the
extreme. I don't get sick, and I know I am fortunate. Seasickness is
misery for those who get it. Dunno why people do, but I am convinced (with
no factual evidence to back up my convictions) that a lot of the cause is in
the afflicted's mind. When I was five or so my family returned from Europe
on the SS United States (I just dated myself . I remember throwing up all
the way across. First time I went out on a military ship I threw up once;
I'm convinced it was the fruit juice sloshing around in my stomach. Since
then it's never happened- 30+ foot seas on ships, and 15 foot seas on large
boats; have had 42 foot power boats coming off the tops of waves and
smashing into the troughs with nary a quease at all. I'm lucky, I know. I
always felt bad for people who get sick; it is the ultimate misery.

Wendy


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I understand the US Navy spent some time and effort to see why sailors get
seasick, and how to stop or reduce it. I understand about 1/3 get sick

from a
quick motion, 1/3 from a long motion, and the rest from a combination of

the
two.


I've seen people get sick going from a dock to a tied-up boat- that's the
extreme. I don't get sick, and I know I am fortunate. Seasickness is
misery for those who get it. Dunno why people do, but I am convinced (with
no factual evidence to back up my convictions) that a lot of the cause is in
the afflicted's mind. When I was five or so my family returned from Europe
on the SS United States (I just dated myself . I remember throwing up all
the way across. First time I went out on a military ship I threw up once;
I'm convinced it was the fruit juice sloshing around in my stomach. Since
then it's never happened- 30+ foot seas on ships, and 15 foot seas on large
boats; have had 42 foot power boats coming off the tops of waves and
smashing into the troughs with nary a quease at all. I'm lucky, I know. I
always felt bad for people who get sick; it is the ultimate misery.

Wendy


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thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling.


I understand the US Navy spent some time and effort to see why sailors get
seasick, and how to stop or reduce it. I understand about 1/3 get sick from a
quick motion, 1/3 from a long motion, and the rest from a combination of the
two.

In addition, not only is a 600 sq ft main sail 3x the weight of a 200 ft sail,
it is also 3x time sq rt 3 more effort to tighten in against the wind. 3x
because it is 3x bigger, and sq rt 3 times because the circle you have to pull
in against gets bigger.

Still, a T-37 catches my attention.


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As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.


Most definitely disagree with that .... but for a reason that perhaps
you havent thought of: A TY37 has a relatively high CG thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling. ..... also much less tiring on long
distance travel.

I really dont understand the physically fit part as with good gear: BIG
winches, slick blocks and higher tech cordage its a breeze to handle,
comfy in a real blow, etc. Hell, with a boomed and vanged staysail,
she's a total self-tacker ---- dont even have to throw a sheet to
tack/gybe. If the genoa is on - just a single set of sheets to handle.
I race mine and find it almost boring in comparison to a fly-weight
'cork'. The only downside that I find to a TY37 is the huge sails
that when need to be removed/replaced ..... are too damn heavy (and
the ultralight super high tech fabric is 4 to 5 times as expensive).
..... lift 1000 sq. ft. set of 9oz. sails across a pitching deck
sometime and youll agree. Otherwise, IMHO - a TY 37 is an 'easy' boat
to sail (inertia/momentum)..

My wife has severe osteoporosis as a result of heavy chemotherapy, and
lots of 'missing' muscles .... with the proper gear she finds NO
problem singlehanding in most conditions - probably due to such a
stable platform. We used to campaign an ILYA scow .... she wont even
get on it anymore ... too physically demanding/tiring. SHE picked this
boat because of its seakindliness and easy handling (MY boat is still
the scow).

If I was in the market for a newer boat, Id definitely consider a
fractional rigged sloop - not as versatile as a cutter but easier to
power-up/power down.
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rich, you sail on the Chesepeake Bay, and on nice weather days. 38' feet is
considered on the upper edge for size for a single hander male, and 34 feet is
considered "about right". A woman might effectively consider something a tad
smaller and be very satisified indeed.

Sailing is not an endurance contest, nor is it a wait for days on end for lite
wind and weather to sail away, nor is turning on the engine because the winds
are too strong to raise the sails considered sailing.

As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.

Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater

33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.













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