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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boat from 35 to 45'?
On 2007-12-21 15:10:44 -0500, kupono said:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. #5, "beautiful" is purely subjective, but our admittedly ugly-duckling Xan (see below) fulfills every other criteria, except that her physical size is a bit below your specified lower limit. I don't know a better boat for two for the Chesapeake and Bahamas. More properly, we haven't found a boat less than 41' that was a material upgrade from her, and we have been actively looking for the past 15 seasons. One Hunter 34 struck our fancy, but it required substantial fixes only a decade into its life. The Cabo Rico 37 looks great, but we can (and have) sail rings around that crab crusher. Hell, we regularly pass catamarans under chute. (Xan doesn't cede to any boat under 40', and will give a good fight to those who are longer.) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. this is the one for me, 86x23x8 Ahhh, no thats a boat. A bit over priced at $250K. a year or two ago these were going for 180K cause so many on the market. http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._054_large.jpg Oh, and so beautiful! bob |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. ANd here is anohter GREAT boat asking price $140K !!!!!!! http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._037_large.jpg Now wha tcould ya do with 120'??? Pull your head out of your white plastic yacht ass and consider a real boat! Bob |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 22, 4:10 am, kupono wrote:
I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained by it. 1. She must be easy to handle. 2. She must be comfortable. 3. She must be seaworthy. 4. She must be fast. 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. 1. how much u want to spend, the worlds largest freighter is handled by 13 men only, most of them for cleaning and cooking, automatisation is the world, it costs 2. how old are u? a mans age in feet boat length is an old rule of thumb, still comfort levels are something personal, fakirs have a different lifestyle compared to a princess on a pea. 3. some swear on iron or lead ducks, a hole and they sink, but if they return after a capsize, they are mostly upright, I believe in Catamarans, they might end up upside down, and this is how the are sometimes found, sunken monohulls are mostly not found any more. Both varieties have seaworthy and less seaworthy examples 4. well, then look into a modern trimaran and do not expect any comfort, not even paint on the carbon hull. maybe a bucket as toilet. I went for a balsa/honeycomb cat, 43' 8800lb plus payload 1000sqft upwind sail 5. well, if all women like the same guy, what will all others do? for some a tank is beautiful, some love soft lines, some baroque ones ;-) my last cat was a shangri-la-nova 47', German designer Nissen with help of a guy (Pieske) cruising around the world for 15 years, homebuilt but so beautiful someone forced me to sell, even when it was ten years old, better he would have stolen it, then the insurance would have paid more. **** happens. Now after ten years owning a cat I know what I liked, basically the same, it was a perfect design, just a little heavy, but rock solid. This one is smaller, much lighter, just fits like a tight jeans, 43' Schionning design. for me the Australians have some of the best cat designers when it comes to pleasing lines (Grainger, Lidgaard, Spirited Design), there might be other good designers too, but I did not like how the yachts look like. You write CRUISING, means you spend most of the time at anchorages, occasionally a passage, living on board. Nothing beats a well designed Catamaran for that. no rolling, no gimbaled stove, at anchor peaceful, yes, uphill sometimes noisy, but that is no long fun on a mono either, but on a cat you still cook when on a mono you secure everything. And in a marine you live first floor and not in the basement. My opinion.... |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruisingboat from 35 to 45'?
Red wrote:
Ansley Sawyer wrote: I vote for the Camper Nicholson 39 and 40. Center cockpit with passageway aft, good sea boat, sloop and ketch rigged. I own one. Ansley, I was looking at pictures of those boats and was curious - what's with the wheel offset to port? In a center cockpit boat I would think a centerline wheel would make more sense, no? Do you find this arrangement workable/comfortable/ease of manuvering in port, etc ? Red Allows for a wider hallway to the aft cabin. |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 10:20 pm, izibizi wrote:
... This one is smaller, much lighter, just fits like a tight jeans, 43' Schionning design. for me the Australians have some of the best cat designers when it comes to pleasing lines (Grainger, Lidgaard, Spirited Design), there might be other good designers too, but I did not like how the yachts look like. ... Schionning's boats are lovely. I got to walk around "Pat's Cat" in Vanuatu. A sweet boat, but as you say a tight fit. I think she was 48' as built (extended for inboards) and she had less room inside than my Atlantic 42 (which is small by cruising cat standards). I'm was raised on the East coast and like a traditional sheer line. The reverse sheer with large radius is light and can be lovely but it can also be wet. I think Choi, Newick and White, just to name my favorates, have drawn some beautiful multis "up over", as it where. -- Tom. |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 3:01*pm, Michael Porter wrote:
Is it a given that this is supposed to be a sailboat??? *Just so you know -- there are several power boats that meet your specification. kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * *1. She must be easy to handle. * *2. She must be comfortable. * *3. She must be seaworthy. * *4. She must be fast. * *5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Michael Porter Marine Design mporter at mp-marine dot comwww.mp-marine.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Power boats are welcome, though I'm a sailboat kind of guy. I'd just like to see personal convictions spread all over this thread. I would like to see more arguments defending the choices though. Regards |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 4:08*pm, jeff wrote:
kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. Why are you insisting on "offshore" in the title, but then simply say "favorite cruising boat" in the body? *The truth is that the vast majority of cruising is done in boats that are not generally considered good offshore boats. Although I certainly wouldn't argue with the criteria, I find it interesting the Eddy and Duff don't make an offshore boat, they specialize is dinghies and daysailers. *As seaworthy as a Stone Horse may be, it still isn't an offshore boat. And of course, my boat, a PDQ 36 catamaran, is the ideal cruising boat, although I don';t think of it as an offshore boat.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, why not. Coastal cruising boats are welcome as well. Just qualify what kind of cruising your choice is suitable for (in your opinion). I personally am more interested in offshore capable boats. Regards |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 11:12*pm, Bob wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. this is the one for me, 86x23x8 Ahhh, no thats a boat. A bit over priced at $250K. a year or two ago these were going for 180K cause so many on the market. http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._054_large.jpg Oh, and so beautiful! bob I have to say that's one fine looking boat. |
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What's your (entirely subjective) Favorite Offshore Cruising boatfrom 35 to 45'?
On Dec 21, 11:16*pm, Bob wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:10*pm, kupono wrote: I'm looking to compile a list of favorite cruising boats based upon your completely subjective opinions. Eddy and Duff's criteria might be a useful guide, but don't feel constrained *by it. * * 1. She must be easy to handle. * * 2. She must be comfortable. * * 3. She must be seaworthy. * * 4. She must be fast. * * 5. She must be beautiful. Please qualify your choices with fully founded, and no doubt, highly subjective arguments based on well thought out personal opinion (and hopefully experience). Let the opionions fly. ANd here is anohter GREAT boat asking price $140K !!!!!!! http://www.americanmarineyachts.com/..._037_large.jpg Now wha tcould ya do with 120'??? Pull your head out of your white plastic yacht ass and consider a real boat! Bob I could go broke feeding it fuel. |
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