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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard


Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

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news On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by
full blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full
blast than when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose
sailboat can't take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the
shelves needs to get his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along
at six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your
powerboat in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots
your powerboat is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake.
This slow wake is worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at
a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along at
any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow river
or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without churning
up a wake.


Sailboats under sail are steadied by their sails. You have plenty of space
on the Bay to pass them full throttle if you want and you can leave plenty
of distance between you and them. Slowing down in that case is stupid. The
only time any real sailboat is bothered by a wake is when it's motoring
along in a channel. Then the wake comes on the beam or quarter and rolls it
like crazy. The faster you pass them (provided you pass at a safe distance)
the less your wake will bother them. Take my word for it.

Some might give you the #1 signal but those people are too dumb to realize a
fast wake with smaller, high frequency waves tosses their boat around far
less than those obnoxious slow rolly wakes. Those are the ones that are most
disruptive.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
The only time any real sailboat is bothered by a wake is when it's
motoring along in a channel.

I'm mostly bothered when I'm parked. Hard to "stay away from where the big
boys play" when they play in my back yard.
http://blizzard.zmm.com/whips/movie.wmv
(Strictly speaking, if it that's as bad as it ever got, I'd have no
complaints. I don't have any video of my nemesis in the big blue SeaRay
plowing by.)

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:21:27 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

I'm mostly bothered when I'm parked. Hard to "stay away from where the big
boys play" when they play in my back yard.
http://blizzard.zmm.com/whips/movie.wmv
(Strictly speaking, if it that's as bad as it ever got, I'd have no
complaints. I don't have any video of my nemesis in the big blue SeaRay
plowing by.)

Ouch. Nice location but you're in a difficult situation there with
wakes. There are some alternatives to the mooring whips which I've
seen used elsewhere and would be more effective:

- A boat lift, also keeps the bottom clean and makes the boat easier
to work on.

- An anchor to the channel side with a bow and stern bridle, allowing
you to pull the boat further away from the dock.

- A mooring with or without a "haul out" system. A mooring is
essentially a big anchor with chain and a floating ball on the
surface. Unless you rig a "haul out" system you will need to take a
dinghy out to the boat. A "haul out" is essentially a continuous
pulley system like an old fashioned clothes line that allows you to
retrieve the boat from shore.

"Wayne.B" wrote
http://blizzard.zmm.com/whips/movie.wmv

There are some alternatives to the mooring whips which I've
seen used elsewhere and would be more effective:

Thanks for the suggestions. A lift would be great, but I just can't justify
the expense. A lot of people here use floating lifts, the kind with a pair
of pontoons that you sink under the boat and then inflate with an air pump
to raise it. They look a little precarious to me, with their relatively high
center of gravity. Fixed lifts are a bit of a problem in most places here
because the slope of the bank make it difficult to get a good footing on the
bottom. The water is about 12 feet deep at the edge of my dock, and
continues at that angle for quite some distance. A mooring ball would be
handy, but I'd probably need some kind of dispensation from the Corpse of
Engineers to put something that far out toward the channel, and again I'd
have the problem of anchoring it on the slope. The mooring whips are doing
the job well enough for now.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:29:08 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

Fixed lifts are a bit of a problem in most places here
because the slope of the bank make it difficult to get a good footing on the
bottom.

The best type of lift is installed on driven pilings. It makes the
bottom contour irrelevant and there is no metal in the water.

http://www.dolphinboatlifts.com/Cradle.htm

In my area of Florida everyone uses this type, power or sail.

HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.


Not Harry's new boat. It just leaves "bubbles". :-)

Here's a good write up of my primary interest of this subject as it relates
to the ICW.
Of particular relevance to me is the "Perfect Pass" paragraphs.

One thing I learned about the ICW. Next time I'll run "outside" much more.
The ICW is interesting and I wanted to experience and see it but it can
become stressful and tiring trying to navigate, pass other boats, pass
private docks, watch out for fishermen etc. always in a courteous manner.
It seems no matter how careful you are, you are occasionally going to ****
somebody off.

http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0

Eisboch

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring
along at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a
narrow river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to
without churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.



Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a
practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby
any grief.