We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle
on the internet. ....

Thanks for your support.
Joe



Hi Joe:

Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG
Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and
of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union
longshore on a union dock?

So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles
with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets?

Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about
this?????

Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby
Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam?

Good luck when you get boarded.................

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
ps.com...

We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle
on the internet. ....

Thanks for your support.
Joe



Hi Joe:

Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG
Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and
of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union
longshore on a union dock?

So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles
with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets?

Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about
this?????

Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby
Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam?

Good luck when you get boarded.................

Bob


Don't throw cold water on the man's dream with real life facts.

Greg

"Bob" wrote in ...


of course when you off load those beans in the US its with
union
longshore on a union dock?


Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee?

SBV

On Nov 10, 3:51 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in ...



of course when you off load those beans in the US its with
union
longshore on a union dock?

Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee?

SBV

No doubt..I'll unload my own coffee. I may form a new shortshoreman's
union local 1 at my dock and overpay myself. My vessel is an
uninspected vessel.

Joe

On Nov 10, 5:34 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:24:51 -0800, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:51 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in ...

of course when you off load those beans in the US its with
union
longshore on a union dock?

Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee?

SBV

No doubt..I'll unload my own coffee. I may form a new shortshoreman's
union local 1 at my dock and overpay myself. My vessel is an
uninspected vessel.

Joe

If your boat is documented with just a "recreational" endorsement, it cannot be
used for commerce. For foreign trade, there are additional endorsements required
as well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If.....sockpuppet ...you are full of if's

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!


--Rudyard Kipling

wrote in message
news
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:14:36 -0800, Joe wrote:

On Nov 10, 5:34 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:24:51 -0800, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:51 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in ...

of course when you off load those beans in the US its with
union
longshore on a union dock?

Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee?

SBV

No doubt..I'll unload my own coffee. I may form a new shortshoreman's
union local 1 at my dock and overpay myself. My vessel is an
uninspected vessel.

Joe

If your boat is documented with just a "recreational" endorsement, it
cannot be
used for commerce. For foreign trade, there are additional endorsements
required
as well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If.....sockpuppet ...you are full of if's

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!


--Rudyard Kipling




You can recite that when you are boarded and they start asking the tough
questions. I'm sure that will clear up the whole mess for you.



If you haven't noticed already, Joe's an arrogant little twit. He thinks his
**** don't stink with this latest amateur effort of his. Little does he know
the chances are good he'll end up losing his arse. There are a number of
reasons for this:

1) his boat's been modified by an amateur (Joe)
2) his boat's heavy and slow
3) his skills are limited to riding shotgun on an OSV.
4) he's got a woman going along - bad luck
5) he actually thinks he's gonna be able to sail most of the way - dream on
6) his business experience is limited to changing the oil at the McDonalds
deep fryer
7) the idiot is going to bucking cold fronts on the return trip - he's gonna
sail north against northerly winds - yah right!
8) steel sweats in the conditions he'll be sailing in. This means a wet
coffee hold. Very good for a nice crop of mold. The idiot doesn't realize he
needs climate controlled holds for coffee.
9) He'll burn up all his projected profit because he'll end up burning way
more diesel than he thinks. His motor is old and will probably fail in such
a way that it cannot be repaired underway. Could mean huge towing bill.
10) November is still hurricane season.

The man's not too bright.

Greg

Greg

On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:
We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle
on the internet. ....
Thanks for your support.
Joe

Hi Joe:

Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG
Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and
of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union
longshore on a union dock?

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles
with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets?

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?

Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about
this?????

What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby
Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam?

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?

Good luck when you get boarded.................

Thanks

Joe



Bob

On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?


What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe


Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob

On Nov 11, 12:03 am, Bob wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:

On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:
Do you have a master's ticket Bob?
Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.
I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..
Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?
What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.
WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?
Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe

Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob

Bob

Let me try to set you on course. I'm going to C.A. on my boat as a
vacation, and while I'm there I'm going to buy some coffee. Just like
you might drive your RV to Canada or Mexico and buy a wood carving to
put in your trinket shop. As long as you declare your purchace to
customs, and pay any tarriffs or taxes it's legal. As long as my
vessel is making what is deemed a safe passage I can sail where I want
with what ever I want to have on board as long as it's legal and I
have reciepts and check in and clear with the country of purchace, and
have the proper documentation. As long as the facility I buy any food
from is registered with the FDA , and my coffee stand is registered
with the FDA, and my coffee clears customs, I can sell the coffee in
the USA.

I assure you my safety equipment and boat exceeds any requirement to
be deemed to make a safe passage as compared to the 1000's of other
private vessels sailing to C.A. and the Caribbean.

Joe

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:

Do you have a master's ticket Bob?

Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.

I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..

Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?


What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.

WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?

Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe


Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob



Joe's been hanging around alt.sailing.asa for quite some time. He's
demonstrated he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. His attitude is one or
arrogance. His feelings are easily hurt. He's more like a mama's boy than a
man. His ignorance is quite apparent.

If he manages to make the trip and back with a viable load of cargo it will
be more due to luck than to skill. I'd sure not bet one plug nickel on his
success. I don't think he's perceptive enough to succeed. I see it all the
time. Dreamers losing their ass because they live more in dreamland than the
real world.

When I saw a picture of his car jacked up on stands above flood level waters
and he was bragging about how he saved it from the flood I had to laugh. Any
sensible man would have moved the damned thing to higher ground well
beforehand. This demonstrates how the man thinks. Too little, too late. Luck
can see him through from time to time but luck will eventually run out.

Greg