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On Nov 9, 5:35 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
How can I get some? -- Roger Long Thanks for asking. As soon as we return we will be listing it all on e-bay. We will be offering a Christmas pkg that includes all 4 select roasts from Caye coffee, all freash roasted and packed in 4 seperate de- gassing bags all in a mini burlap coffee bag with a collector label. We will also have 1000 1 lb bags of each roast. It will list on ebay at 14.95 a gift pkg, a perfect Christmas gift for any sailor or coffee lover. You Roger are invited here next Friday if you can make it for free Caye coffee and a tour, after all I did use the math formula you provided to determine how much cargo we can carry safely. Joe |
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On Nov 10, 11:55 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Joe" wrote You Roger are invited here next Friday if you can make it for free Caye coffee and a tour, after all I did use the math formula you provided to determine how much cargo we can carry safely. Thanks very much but it's a bit far to go, even for good coffee and I've got to haul my boat next week. For the record, just in case you get abducted by aliens or have some other mishap, I did not provide you with a formula to determine how much cargo you can safely carry. I did give you a way to make a rough estimate of how much your draft will change with the addition of weight. Whether your vessel is "safe" at *any* particular draft is a very different question. Even when I do a complete stability analysis, stability test, computer model, Coast Guard stability criteria, loading conditions, righting arms, wind heel area, etc., safety has little to do with it. The boiler plate in the letter that accompanies such reports states that I am not expressing any opinion about the vessel's safety or seaworthiness. I perform standard calculations in accordance with a recognized methodology to determine certain characteristics. International research and conventions has produced a consensus that certain measures of these characteristics are associated with vessels that have a reasonable chance of surviving the effects of weather. Some of these measures have been turned into regulation. It is the comparison of the characteristics found by the calculations I perform with numbers determined by IMO, USCG, and other organizations that makes the determination of safety, not my opinion. It's a lot like the law. It doesn't guarantee justice. Having a legal system increases order and civility and increases the probability of any particular individual being treated justly but any individual can still experience a severe miscarriage of justice. Even your USCG certificated sailing vessel can be capsized (In fact, it may be more likely to be capsized because of being designed to accomodate a stupid set of regulations than if it were just designed to meet the rigors of the ocean. But, that's another story and rant.). I haven't got a clue whether you will be safe or not but I sure hope you get back with that coffee  .Are you accepting pre-orders or is it all committed to Ebay? I'd like to get some fresh off the dock. I can't help noticing that there is a certain tension between sailboat speeds and the concept of "freshness" but the polar bears would certainly thank you if they knew BTW Do you plan to do this again? I'm sure you could get plenty of school supplies with more lead time. My sailing partner would put your email in the church bulletin except that time is now too short. -- Roger Long Yeah I was kidding on the safety thing, I've been loading boats all my life and know how to secure cargo and when to say that's enough. Yes we are planning on doing this full time if we can sell the coffee fast enough. If we sell all the cargo before Christmas (our goal) we will kick off in January for another load of mostly 1 lb packs. The coffee will be about 3 weeks fresh roasted when it hits the market, the average store bought is 6 mo to 3 yrs old. We plan on shipping some green beans for the home roaster if thats not fresh enough. But keep in mind IMO a great Roast master is almost as important as the beans. My sailing partner has rounded up 2 violens, 2 guitars, and a 2 drums so far. She also has been in contact with Wal-Mart and they may come through with a nice load of school supplies, if not we will spring for as much as we can afford. The schools have an average of 50 kids per class room . They are very poor and shipping any supplies is very expensive for them. All the school children are very polite and friendly. School yard http://sports.webshots.com/photo/287...63212926IYXKlP The dock http://sports.webshots.com/photo/200...63212926lSCITj Dirt Bags? http://sports.webshots.com/photo/208...63212926qbnnnT From offshore San Pedro http://sports.webshots.com/photo/208...63212926qbnnnT 400 YO anchor http://sports.webshots.com/photo/230...63212926pRUVZj Roller on the reef http://sports.webshots.com/photo/213...63212926pRrgfN Caye Coffee http://sports.webshots.com/photo/239...63212926dJhhJY Airport Cauker Caye http://sports.webshots.com/photo/260...63212926CIVDtI Da Plane http://sports.webshots.com/photo/230...63212926YgCLdk Dr. Jackson & Terry & Dog http://sports.webshots.com/photo/229...63212926HhoLZk |
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On Nov 10, 1:02 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 11:55 am, "Roger Long" wrote: "Joe" wrote You Roger are invited here next Friday if you can make it for free Caye coffee and a tour, after all I did use the math formula you provided to determine how much cargo we can carry safely. Thanks very much but it's a bit far to go, even for good coffee and I've got to haul my boat next week. For the record, just in case you get abducted by aliens or have some other mishap, I did not provide you with a formula to determine how much cargo you can safely carry. I did give you a way to make a rough estimate of how much your draft will change with the addition of weight. Whether your vessel is "safe" at *any* particular draft is a very different question. Even when I do a complete stability analysis, stability test, computer model, Coast Guard stability criteria, loading conditions, righting arms, wind heel area, etc., safety has little to do with it. The boiler plate in the letter that accompanies such reports states that I am not expressing any opinion about the vessel's safety or seaworthiness. I perform standard calculations in accordance with a recognized methodology to determine certain characteristics. International research and conventions has produced a consensus that certain measures of these characteristics are associated with vessels that have a reasonable chance of surviving the effects of weather. Some of these measures have been turned into regulation. It is the comparison of the characteristics found by the calculations I perform with numbers determined by IMO, USCG, and other organizations that makes the determination of safety, not my opinion. It's a lot like the law. It doesn't guarantee justice. Having a legal system increases order and civility and increases the probability of any particular individual being treated justly but any individual can still experience a severe miscarriage of justice. Even your USCG certificated sailing vessel can be capsized (In fact, it may be more likely to be capsized because of being designed to accomodate a stupid set of regulations than if it were just designed to meet the rigors of the ocean. But, that's another story and rant.). I haven't got a clue whether you will be safe or not but I sure hope you get back with that coffee .Are you accepting pre-orders or is it all committed to Ebay? I'd like to get some fresh off the dock. I can't help noticing that there is a certain tension between sailboat speeds and the concept of "freshness" but the polar bears would certainly thank you if they knew BTW Do you plan to do this again? I'm sure you could get plenty of school supplies with more lead time. My sailing partner would put your email in the church bulletin except that time is now too short. -- Roger Long Yeah I was kidding on the safety thing, I've been loading boats all my life and know how to secure cargo and when to say that's enough. Yes we are planning on doing this full time if we can sell the coffee fast enough. If we sell all the cargo before Christmas (our goal) we will kick off in January for another load of mostly 1 lb packs. The coffee will be about 3 weeks fresh roasted when it hits the market, the average store bought is 6 mo to 3 yrs old. We plan on shipping some green beans for the home roaster if thats not fresh enough. But keep in mind IMO a great Roast master is almost as important as the beans. My sailing partner has rounded up 2 violens, 2 guitars, and a 2 drums so far. She also has been in contact with Wal-Mart and they may come through with a nice load of school supplies, if not we will spring for as much as we can afford. The schools have an average of 50 kids per class room . They are very poor and shipping any supplies is very expensive for them. All the school children are very polite and friendly. School yardhttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2876755830063212926IYXKlP The dockhttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2000261720063212926lSCITj Dirt Bags?http://sports.webshots.com/photo/208...63212926qbnnnT From offshore San Pedro http://sports.webshots.com/photo/208...63212926qbnnnT 400 YO anchorhttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2305255530063212926pRUVZj Roller on the reefhttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2138748320063212926pRrgfN Caye Coffeehttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2394901020063212926dJhhJY Airport Cauker Cayehttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2609329090063212926CIVDtI Da Planehttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2309618830063212926YgCLdk Dr. Jackson & Terry & Doghttp://sports.webshots.com/photo/2295913100063212926HhoLZk- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh forgot.. No we are not comitted to sell on ebay just feel it's a good ave to mkt. We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle on the internet. We haven't taken any orders yet, and I hate to sell anything I don't have in hand. As soon as we hit the dock I'll post a link to order....Thanks for your support. Joe |
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We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle on the internet. .... Thanks for your support. Joe Hi Joe: Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union longshore on a union dock? So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets? Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about this????? Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam? Good luck when you get boarded................. Bob |
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"Bob" wrote in message ps.com... We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle on the internet. .... Thanks for your support. Joe Hi Joe: Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union longshore on a union dock? So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets? Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about this????? Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam? Good luck when you get boarded................. Bob Don't throw cold water on the man's dream with real life facts. Greg |
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"Bob" wrote in ... of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union longshore on a union dock? Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee? SBV |
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On Nov 10, 3:51 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in ... of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union longshore on a union dock? Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee? SBV No doubt..I'll unload my own coffee. I may form a new shortshoreman's union local 1 at my dock and overpay myself. My vessel is an uninspected vessel. Joe |
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On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:
We will be selling it here in El-Lago at the dock, and hang a shingle on the internet. .... Thanks for your support. Joe Hi Joe: Since youre carrying cargo for hire I am assuming RedCloud is USCG Documented Coast Wise, compiles to the USCG manning requirements, and of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union longshore on a union dock? Do you have a master's ticket Bob? Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my cargo. I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect.. So the boat with all the new (2005) LED lights you installed compiles with whatever CFR Sub Chapter category RedCloud meets? Would I install them if they did not? (2005)? Oh, now that your a cargo boat does your insurance company know about this????? What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured beyond liability in most places. Or is this just some fly-by-night owner trying to dodge the IRS Hobby Loss problem by helping poor children and smuggling coffee scam? WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem? Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair? Good luck when you get boarded................. Thanks Joe Bob |
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On Nov 10, 5:34 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:24:51 -0800, Joe wrote: On Nov 10, 3:51 pm, "Scotty" wrote: "Bob" wrote in ... of course when you off load those beans in the US its with union longshore on a union dock? Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee? SBV No doubt..I'll unload my own coffee. I may form a new shortshoreman's union local 1 at my dock and overpay myself. My vessel is an uninspected vessel. Joe If your boat is documented with just a "recreational" endorsement, it cannot be used for commerce. For foreign trade, there are additional endorsements required as well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If.....sockpuppet ...you are full of if's If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you But make allowance for their doubting too, If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much, If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! --Rudyard Kipling |
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