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On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:


Do you have a master's ticket Bob?


Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.


I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..


Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?



What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.


WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?


Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe



Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob





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I assume that you've only probably seen the pass at San Pedro in rather
benign conditions. Believe me, it can get VERY rough and be unpassable for
days on end. Check out this report from Long Cay, which is about 10+ miles
S of San Pedro:

http://www.geoffschultz.org/Log_Page.php?id=475

as it will allow you to get in and out in almost any weather without having
to go down to the ship channel at Belize City, and you probably can't get
back to San Pedro through Puerto Stuck anyhow.

What is your draft?

-- Geoff
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On Nov 11, 6:02 am, Geoff Schultz wrote:
I assume that you've only probably seen the pass at San Pedro in rather
benign conditions. Believe me, it can get VERY rough and be unpassable for
days on end. Check out this report from Long Cay, which is about 10+ miles
S of San Pedro:

http://www.geoffschultz.org/Log_Page.php?id=475

as it will allow you to get in and out in almost any weather without having
to go down to the ship channel at Belize City, and you probably can't get
back to San Pedro through Puerto Stuck anyhow.

What is your draft?

-- Geoff


Thanks for the tips Geoff;

I've checked out your web-site from bottom to top.

I've checked out Long Caye , and would stand by there behind Cauker
Caye if needed. Luckly I will have an escort in the reef. I've also
checked out and have charts to every port, island, atoll from Houston
to Guatamela. RedCloud draws 4.5 ft with the board up 11 with it down.
Did you hear that Leonardo DiCaprio is building a Green Hotel on the
Caye?

Joe

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On Nov 11, 6:47 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
There is an important distinction as to whether Joe owns the coffee or is
carrying it for someone else. The problem with these distinctions is that
the Coast Coast Guard doesn't always understand them. They made one school
ship I was involved with stop carrying tee shirts and caps that they sold at
port stops because they considered it "cargo" even
though the organization owned them. When the USCG gets something like this
wrong, they still get to be right for the first five years and $50,000 of
legal fees. It was easier for the school ship to just send the stuff around
by UPS to meet the ship.

It sounds like Joe has done the right thing by making sure he's on the same
page with everyone first. As long as he keeps dealing with the same people,
he'll be OK. Where the problem can come up is if some bonehead comes into
the process through transfer or other shakeup and calls it different. If he
rules the other way, it would be typical of the same people Joe spoke to
before to say, "Oh, we didn't mean that. You must have misunderstood."
I've seen it happen. I hope he has it in writing. Even that doesn't always
work.

Where the problem could come in is with the school supplies. Contributors
may not want to give them to Joe personally. If they are not owned by him
while in transit, they then become cargo. If the contributors want tax
deductions, the owner of the boat then has to be a 501 (c) 3 non-profit to
avoid having the stuff become cargo.

It's a minefield but it sounds like Joe is well equipped to navigate it.
Still, it only takes one miss step or bit of bad luck. I saw a lot of
people blown up back when USCG regulatory approvals were the major part of
my business. The boys in blue seem to get especially wacky and paranoid
whenever a sailboat is involved.

--
Roger Long


Good point Roger. The school supplies will have to be given to the
El Lago Coffee Co. as we refused to register as a 501(c). Our goal is
to be a model of profit for others to follow. A good friend tried and
tried to get me to set the business up as a church, removing all tax
burdens. Even the folks in Ambergirs Caye had to jump through hoops
and become an FDA registered food facility. We meet with the Mayor of
San Pedro and he assured me he will be able to accept the donations on
behalf of the school and have it classified as humanitarian relief
free of any tarriff's.

I've been working on this project for over 2 yrs now and hope I have
all ave's covered.... but since this has not been done for almost 100
yrs no telling what hick-up's we will run into.

Joe


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Joe wrote in
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On Nov 11, 6:47 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
There is an important distinction as to whether Joe owns the coffee
or is carrying it for someone else. The problem with these
distinctions is that the Coast Coast Guard doesn't always understand
them. They made one school ship I was involved with stop carrying
tee shirts and caps that they sold at port stops because they
considered it "cargo" even though the organization owned them. When
the USCG gets something like this wrong, they still get to be right
for the first five years and $50,000 of legal fees. It was easier
for the school ship to just send the stuff around by UPS to meet the
ship.

It sounds like Joe has done the right thing by making sure he's on
the same page with everyone first. As long as he keeps dealing with
the same people, he'll be OK. Where the problem can come up is if
some bonehead comes into the process through transfer or other
shakeup and calls it different. If he rules the other way, it would
be typical of the same people Joe spoke to before to say, "Oh, we
didn't mean that. You must have misunderstood." I've seen it happen.
I hope he has it in writing. Even that doesn't always work.

Where the problem could come in is with the school supplies.
Contributors may not want to give them to Joe personally. If they
are not owned by him while in transit, they then become cargo. If
the contributors want tax deductions, the owner of the boat then has
to be a 501 (c) 3 non-profit to avoid having the stuff become cargo.

It's a minefield but it sounds like Joe is well equipped to navigate
it. Still, it only takes one miss step or bit of bad luck. I saw a
lot of people blown up back when USCG regulatory approvals were the
major part of my business. The boys in blue seem to get especially
wacky and paranoid whenever a sailboat is involved.

--
Roger Long


Good point Roger. The school supplies will have to be given to the
El Lago Coffee Co. as we refused to register as a 501(c). Our goal is
to be a model of profit for others to follow. A good friend tried and
tried to get me to set the business up as a church, removing all tax
burdens. Even the folks in Ambergirs Caye had to jump through hoops
and become an FDA registered food facility. We meet with the Mayor of
San Pedro and he assured me he will be able to accept the donations on
behalf of the school and have it classified as humanitarian relief
free of any tarriff's.


I'm glad to hear that you've already handled the school supplies Customs
issue in Belize. The Belize Customs people are some of the most
difficult people to interact with that I've ever found. Their goal is
to extract as much revenue as possible. Believe me, you don't want to
import any boat parts into Belize as you'll get taxed to the hilt. They
know about the concept of "yacht in transit", but make it next to
impossible to utilize it.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

P.S. No, I hadn't heard about Leonardo DiCaprio building a resort.
I've toured Ambergis by golf cart and am amazed at how large it is.


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On Nov 11, 8:36 am, Geoff Schultz wrote:
Joe wrote roups.com:





On Nov 11, 6:47 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
There is an important distinction as to whether Joe owns the coffee
or is carrying it for someone else. The problem with these
distinctions is that the Coast Coast Guard doesn't always understand
them. They made one school ship I was involved with stop carrying
tee shirts and caps that they sold at port stops because they
considered it "cargo" even though the organization owned them. When
the USCG gets something like this wrong, they still get to be right
for the first five years and $50,000 of legal fees. It was easier
for the school ship to just send the stuff around by UPS to meet the
ship.


It sounds like Joe has done the right thing by making sure he's on
the same page with everyone first. As long as he keeps dealing with
the same people, he'll be OK. Where the problem can come up is if
some bonehead comes into the process through transfer or other
shakeup and calls it different. If he rules the other way, it would
be typical of the same people Joe spoke to before to say, "Oh, we
didn't mean that. You must have misunderstood." I've seen it happen.
I hope he has it in writing. Even that doesn't always work.


Where the problem could come in is with the school supplies.
Contributors may not want to give them to Joe personally. If they
are not owned by him while in transit, they then become cargo. If
the contributors want tax deductions, the owner of the boat then has
to be a 501 (c) 3 non-profit to avoid having the stuff become cargo.


It's a minefield but it sounds like Joe is well equipped to navigate
it. Still, it only takes one miss step or bit of bad luck. I saw a
lot of people blown up back when USCG regulatory approvals were the
major part of my business. The boys in blue seem to get especially
wacky and paranoid whenever a sailboat is involved.


--
Roger Long


Good point Roger. The school supplies will have to be given to the
El Lago Coffee Co. as we refused to register as a 501(c). Our goal is
to be a model of profit for others to follow. A good friend tried and
tried to get me to set the business up as a church, removing all tax
burdens. Even the folks in Ambergirs Caye had to jump through hoops
and become an FDA registered food facility. We meet with the Mayor of
San Pedro and he assured me he will be able to accept the donations on
behalf of the school and have it classified as humanitarian relief
free of any tarriff's.


I'm glad to hear that you've already handled the school supplies Customs
issue in Belize. The Belize Customs people are some of the most
difficult people to interact with that I've ever found. Their goal is
to extract as much revenue as possible. Believe me, you don't want to
import any boat parts into Belize as you'll get taxed to the hilt. They
know about the concept of "yacht in transit", but make it next to
impossible to utilize it.

-- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org

P.S. No, I hadn't heard about Leonardo DiCaprio building a resort.
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It's the perfect Port Geoff. The Mayor was a very intelligent fellow
with a deep passion for his Caye and the people. As he put it " I feel
out of my mom onto the sand of Ambergris Caye" he will never leave the
island. In case you ever meet him make sure you are barefooted.. even
in the finest establishment. We asked him what we could bring that
would help his people and he filled us in on the schools needs.

I had no problem interacting with them, very polite people, and they
have a job to do just like homeland security.

Joe



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On Nov 11, 12:03 am, Bob wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:

On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:
Do you have a master's ticket Bob?
Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.
I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..
Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?
What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.
WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?
Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe


Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob


Bob

Let me try to set you on course. I'm going to C.A. on my boat as a
vacation, and while I'm there I'm going to buy some coffee. Just like
you might drive your RV to Canada or Mexico and buy a wood carving to
put in your trinket shop. As long as you declare your purchace to
customs, and pay any tarriffs or taxes it's legal. As long as my
vessel is making what is deemed a safe passage I can sail where I want
with what ever I want to have on board as long as it's legal and I
have reciepts and check in and clear with the country of purchace, and
have the proper documentation. As long as the facility I buy any food
from is registered with the FDA , and my coffee stand is registered
with the FDA, and my coffee clears customs, I can sell the coffee in
the USA.

I assure you my safety equipment and boat exceeds any requirement to
be deemed to make a safe passage as compared to the 1000's of other
private vessels sailing to C.A. and the Caribbean.

Joe






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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:14:36 -0800, Joe wrote:

On Nov 10, 5:34 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:24:51 -0800, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:51 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in ...

of course when you off load those beans in the US its with
union
longshore on a union dock?

Union dock? Why, you want stale coffee?

SBV

No doubt..I'll unload my own coffee. I may form a new shortshoreman's
union local 1 at my dock and overpay myself. My vessel is an
uninspected vessel.

Joe

If your boat is documented with just a "recreational" endorsement, it
cannot be
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If.....sockpuppet ...you are full of if's

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!


--Rudyard Kipling




You can recite that when you are boarded and they start asking the tough
questions. I'm sure that will clear up the whole mess for you.



If you haven't noticed already, Joe's an arrogant little twit. He thinks his
**** don't stink with this latest amateur effort of his. Little does he know
the chances are good he'll end up losing his arse. There are a number of
reasons for this:

1) his boat's been modified by an amateur (Joe)
2) his boat's heavy and slow
3) his skills are limited to riding shotgun on an OSV.
4) he's got a woman going along - bad luck
5) he actually thinks he's gonna be able to sail most of the way - dream on
6) his business experience is limited to changing the oil at the McDonalds
deep fryer
7) the idiot is going to bucking cold fronts on the return trip - he's gonna
sail north against northerly winds - yah right!
8) steel sweats in the conditions he'll be sailing in. This means a wet
coffee hold. Very good for a nice crop of mold. The idiot doesn't realize he
needs climate controlled holds for coffee.
9) He'll burn up all his projected profit because he'll end up burning way
more diesel than he thinks. His motor is old and will probably fail in such
a way that it cannot be repaired underway. Could mean huge towing bill.
10) November is still hurricane season.

The man's not too bright.

Greg

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"Bob" wrote in message
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On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:


Do you have a master's ticket Bob?


Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.


I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..


Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?



What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.


WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?


Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe



Hello Joe:

In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?

What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.

For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"

With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?

Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob



Joe's been hanging around alt.sailing.asa for quite some time. He's
demonstrated he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. His attitude is one or
arrogance. His feelings are easily hurt. He's more like a mama's boy than a
man. His ignorance is quite apparent.

If he manages to make the trip and back with a viable load of cargo it will
be more due to luck than to skill. I'd sure not bet one plug nickel on his
success. I don't think he's perceptive enough to succeed. I see it all the
time. Dreamers losing their ass because they live more in dreamland than the
real world.

When I saw a picture of his car jacked up on stands above flood level waters
and he was bragging about how he saved it from the flood I had to laugh. Any
sensible man would have moved the damned thing to higher ground well
beforehand. This demonstrates how the man thinks. Too little, too late. Luck
can see him through from time to time but luck will eventually run out.

Greg


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On Nov 11, 12:35 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
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On Nov 10, 3:38 pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 10, 3:29 pm, Bob wrote:


Do you have a master's ticket Bob?


Who says I'm carrying cargo for hire? Bonehead, it's my boat and my
cargo.


I'll have a proper bill of laiden, I have my FDA facility number, a
custom agent who is an expert in coffee clearing, have visited the
USCG, Homeland security, have my own non-union dock ect..ect..ect..


Would I install them if they did not? (2005)?


What Insurance company? I did not know you were required to be insured
beyond liability in most places.


WTF is a Hobby Loss Problem?


Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt Kangaroo off the
air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out the armchair?
Thanks
Joe


Hello Joe:


In all sincerity Joe, unless I misunderstood your post, you are going
to a foreign nation, buying 10,000 lbs of XYZ, transporting it with a
vessel, then offload and sell XYZ in the USA. Now unless I missed
something you are selling those beans in the US and NOT using them for
personal consumption, no?


What compounds my concern regarding your plan most is your response
where you: 1) insult my intelligence, 2) question my USCG license/
rating, and used a personal attack typically found at
alt.asa.sailing.


For example, "...Whats wrong Bob did they take your re-runs of Capt
Kangaroo off the air and your hemmoriods bugging ya from wearing out
the armchair...?"


With that type of response I wonder how you will treat your customers
or those poor needy children?


Personally, after reading your response I will not buy any of your
beans nor will I recommend anyone else buy your beans. I think what
really speaks most loudly is your internet post history. You have a
rather long track record with a tiresomely predictable pattern.
Bob


Joe's been hanging around alt.sailing.asa for quite some time. He's
demonstrated he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. His attitude is one or
arrogance. His feelings are easily hurt. He's more like a mama's boy than a
man. His ignorance is quite apparent.

If he manages to make the trip and back with a viable load of cargo it will
be more due to luck than to skill. I'd sure not bet one plug nickel on his
success. I don't think he's perceptive enough to succeed. I see it all the
time. Dreamers losing their ass because they live more in dreamland than the
real world.

When I saw a picture of his car jacked up on stands above flood level waters
and he was bragging about how he saved it from the flood I had to laugh. Any
sensible man would have moved the damned thing to higher ground well
beforehand. This demonstrates how the man thinks. Too little, too late. Luck
can see him through from time to time but luck will eventually run out.

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Well Greg.. better than Wilbur, but a puppet anyhow.

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