On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:35:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in some
waysnip

I'd like to invite you to stand in my cockpit sometime and get acquainted
with the business end of my boom when one of your powerboatin' pals comes
by...

"mr.b" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:35:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in some
waysnip

I'd like to invite you to stand in my cockpit sometime and get acquainted
with the business end of my boom when one of your powerboatin' pals comes
by...


Or, be up on the deck trying to reef or shake out a reef. Could be good MOB
practice, however.

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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:16:21 -0500, "mr.b" wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:35:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in some
waysnip

I'd like to invite you to stand in my cockpit sometime and get acquainted
with the business end of my boom when one of your powerboatin' pals comes
by...

Trust me, I've spent a lot of time under, over and around booms, and
have always disliked getting waked as much as anyone else, especially
when closing on a finish line in light air.

The fact is however that wakes and waves are part of being on the
water, and no one should expect a powerboat to slow down just to
improve their comfort level or finish position.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:28:50 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

Trust me, I've spent a lot of time under, over and around booms, and have
always disliked getting waked as much as anyone else, especially when
closing on a finish line in light air.

The fact is however that wakes and waves are part of being on the water,
and no one should expect a powerboat to slow down just to improve their
comfort level or finish position.

that's obvious...but not to the point...the discussion was about the
ignorant and arrogant who pilot their stinktubs with what could be
described as a less than cooperative spirit...like the moron described by
the OP.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:31 -0500, "mr.b" wrote:

that's obvious...but not to the point...the discussion was about the
ignorant and arrogant who pilot their stinktubs with what could be
described as a less than cooperative spirit...like the moron described by
the OP.

A lot of it is a perception issue. People in larger, faster boats are
percieved as being arrogant, particularly if they are well dressed or
in the company of good looking women. If they inconvenience or
discomfit us, they are percieved as being ignorant. Take that same
person and put him down on your level in a sailboat and all of a
sudden he is an educated, well spoken, all around nice guy.

Perceptions.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:53:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

A lot of it is a perception issue. People in larger, faster boats are
percieved as being arrogant, particularly if they are well dressed or in
the company of good looking women. If they inconvenience or discomfit us,
they are percieved as being ignorant. Take that same person and put him
down on your level in a sailboat and all of a sudden he is an educated,
well spoken, all around nice guy.

Perceptions.

I think Wayne that you want to advance the idea that there are classes of
boaters...and to a certain extent I'll agree but not in the way you'd
like. There is a class of considerate boaters who abide by the rules of
good seamanship...and then there are the assholes...and some of them drive
ragbaggers too. This thread started about a dumbass who passed too
closely to a sailboat at speed while the capt of the stinktub is reported
to have offered up the international handsign that announced his IQ. You
shouldn't feel compelled to defend the undefendable.

"mr.b" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:53:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

A lot of it is a perception issue. People in larger, faster boats are
percieved as being arrogant, particularly if they are well dressed or in
the company of good looking women. If they inconvenience or discomfit
us,
they are percieved as being ignorant. Take that same person and put him
down on your level in a sailboat and all of a sudden he is an educated,
well spoken, all around nice guy.

Perceptions.

I think Wayne that you want to advance the idea that there are classes of
boaters...and to a certain extent I'll agree but not in the way you'd
like. There is a class of considerate boaters who abide by the rules of
good seamanship...and then there are the assholes...and some of them drive
ragbaggers too. This thread started about a dumbass who passed too
closely to a sailboat at speed while the capt of the stinktub is reported
to have offered up the international handsign that announced his IQ. You
shouldn't feel compelled to defend the undefendable.



I agree... we promote being considerate, and despite my skeptical nature,
I'm almost always taken aback when on the receiving end of assholes.
Certainly, there are sailors who are good and bad, same with PBers. I've
experienced both from both.

Hey, maybe Wayne was the PBer in question!

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"mr.b" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:53:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

There is a class of considerate boaters who abide by the
rules of
good seamanship...and then there are the assholes...and
some of them drive
ragbaggers too. This thread started about a dumbass who
passed too
closely to a sailboat at speed while the capt of the
stinktub is reported
to have offered up the international handsign that
announced his IQ. You
shouldn't feel compelled to defend the undefendable.


Apparently he's part of *that* class.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:31 -0500, "mr.b"
wrote:

that's obvious...but not to the point...the discussion
was about the
ignorant and arrogant who pilot their stinktubs with what
could be
described as a less than cooperative spirit...like the
moron described by
the OP.

A lot of it is a perception issue. People in larger,
faster boats are
percieved as being arrogant, particularly if they are well
dressed or
in the company of good looking women.


You forgot to mention the beer gut and gold chains.


Take that same
person and put him down on your level in a sailboat and
all of a
sudden he is an educated, well spoken, all around nice
guy.


Funny how that works, eh?





SBV

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:04:09 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

You forgot to mention the beer gut and gold chains.

Gold chains?

Why didn'y you say so, definitely arrogant and ignorant. That money
could have been better spent on good anchor chain.