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JG,
I don't quite follow the kayak story. Why couldn't you luff your sail. Sounds like they had the right of way and I don't think that you had an emergency. Dave M. |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:08:34 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Am convinced that for the most part, to qualify to receive the keys to a power vessel, you must certify you only have 2 brain cells, of which at least one must be dead. Now wait just a minute here. Capt JG was in a 32 ft, seaworthy, ocean going sailboat, in open water. Why should he be concerned about a 2 or 3 ft wake? Let's get real. A wake is a wave by any other name. If you are worried about small waves in a 32 ft sailboat better to stay home. Power boats leave wakes (waves). It's a fact and has nothing to do with brain cells, moral fiber or any other personal characteristic. |
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David L. Martel wrote:
I don't quite follow the kayak story. Why couldn't you luff your sail. Sounds like they had the right of way How do you figure that? |
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On Nov 6, 11:56 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Robert Musgine" wrote He should have run up the day shapes. No, the boat was under 12 meters. -- Roger Long Well, I don't think that's right. If he was restricted in his ability to maneuver then he has to put up his day shapes. Size doesn't enter into it. Of course, I don't think he was RIBM as the rules have it. The question of who had the right of way is hard in this case as human powered boats aren't mentioned in COLREGS. The implication based on their lights is that they have the rights of a sail boat, but I don't know if that's been tested... -- Tom. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:08:34 -0800, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: Am convinced that for the most part, to qualify to receive the keys to a power vessel, you must certify you only have 2 brain cells, of which at least one must be dead. Now wait just a minute here. Capt JG was in a 32 ft, seaworthy, ocean going sailboat, in open water. Why should he be concerned about a 2 or 3 ft wake? Let's get real. A wake is a wave by any other name. If you are worried about small waves in a 32 ft sailboat better to stay home. Power boats leave wakes (waves). It's a fact and has nothing to do with brain cells, moral fiber or any other personal characteristic. Who said it was seaworthy? :-) Certainly it isn't ocean capable. At least I wouldn't take it there. It was more like we experienced a 3-4 foot wake in close proximity to the source, with people on deck, and in otherwise calm conditions with very little wind. The boater came within 10 feet of us going over 10kts. You're saying this is appropriate behavior??? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"thunder" wrote in message
news On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:56:45 -0500, Gregory Hall wrote: I say when he finally ends up injuring or killing somebody their relatives can sue him for everything he owns. Then they can go after the Coast Guard and have a very good chance of getting a large settlement from them. The Coast Guard's ultimately responsible for licensing unqualified people. Greg Uh huh. http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f071.htm He's a stalker... forget em. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"David L. Martel" wrote in message
... JG, I don't quite follow the kayak story. Why couldn't you luff your sail. Sounds like they had the right of way and I don't think that you had an emergency. Dave M. Good question... couldn't luff without going aground. They crossed in front of me without regard to my ability to maneauver. Not sure what you mean about an emergency, since it wasn't. I started/engaged the engine as I said to avoid hitting them. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Wayne.B" wrote
Why should he be concerned about a 2 or 3 ft wake? Let's get real. A wake is a wave by any other name. Y'know, I'll bet that's exactly what that guy just upriver from me with the SeaPlow 390 thinks. |
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wrote in message
ups.com... On Nov 6, 11:56 am, "Roger Long" wrote: "Robert Musgine" wrote He should have run up the day shapes. No, the boat was under 12 meters. -- Roger Long Well, I don't think that's right. If he was restricted in his ability to maneuver then he has to put up his day shapes. Size doesn't enter into it. Of course, I don't think he was RIBM as the rules have it. The question of who had the right of way is hard in this case as human powered boats aren't mentioned in COLREGS. The implication based on their lights is that they have the rights of a sail boat, but I don't know if that's been tested... -- Tom. I don't think that many rights are available if you cut off another boat, which was what was about to happen, which in fact did happen in a limited way. In the small amount of time at this point in the channel, there was no opportunity to display day shapes. I've sailed there many times before with no problems. Prior to this particular spot, we were not restricted at all, and I'm not even sure we were restricted in the practical sense, since we did maneauver. I think the real issue is the behavior of the kayaker, assuming that he was the only one on the water, not looking port or starboard. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2007-11-06 14:44:50 -0500, "Capt. JG" said:
Ok, so we proceeded to sail, then got to a good spot to turn on the engine and drop the sails. Did this, motored about 200 meters, when the cooling water hi temp alarm came on. THAT concerns me! The kayaker was just bucking for a Darwin award. We've found that even with the fresh water closed off, we have about 5 minutes' run-time at cruise power (about 2200 rpm) before the high-temp alarm sounds -- quite a bit further than 200 meters. We used that reserve once about a decade ago, so I know it exists. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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