"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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So I'm reading the survey for one of the boats that I'm looking at.
It's a Catalina 36 = 1984 model

Moored in fresh water now, but has been in salt water.

Under Surveyer's Recommendations are a list of items that needed
attention.

It's not a long list but there is one item (C rated) that I'm
kinda concerned about.

It says "All items aloft (spars, rigging, fittings, hardware, etc)
should be visually inspected for condition by a qualified/experienced
yacht rigger or equivelent".

Is this normal for a professional survey?

And, like everything else on the list it it maked off, "done".

But I don't yet know who the equivelent was.

So I'm a little curious here.

Do I need to hire a professional rigger to check the rigging in a
situation like this?

I mean, replacing all the standing rigging on any boat is not a
trivial
matter.

Now I don't necessarily have to have new rigging on the boat I buy,
but
if it needs to be replaced I need to know up front. And adjust the
price
as appropriate...


1984 means it's 27 years old. Yes, all the standing rigging needs to be
replaced. Don't waste money on a "professional rigger" checking it
because he'll tell you the same thing.

It's not all that expensive if you do it yourself one shroud or stay at
a time and use Sta-Lok mechanical terminals and top-of-the-line 1 x 19
wire. But, if it doesn't have mast steps installed you'll have to do
that first because replacing standing rigging one wire at a time
involves many trips up the mast.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:15:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

But, if it doesn't have mast steps installed you'll have to do
that first because replacing standing rigging one wire at a time
involves many trips up the mast.

Mast steps are for amateurs Wilbur. You should know that. They
weaken the mast, foul halyards and rip sails.

Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:15:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


But, if it doesn't have mast steps installed you'll have to do
that first because replacing standing rigging one wire at a time
involves many trips up the mast.



Yeahbut...

If you are going to replace them all anyway, why not drop the mast.
Now we can get to the mast electrical wiring too.

And inspect and replace any fittings that look iffy...

And all the nuts, bolts, screws, etc.

Seems a quicker and easier way to go.

IF there is a crane handy...

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:15:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


But, if it doesn't have mast steps installed you'll have to do that first
because replacing standing rigging one wire at a time involves many trips
up the mast.



Yeahbut...

If you are going to replace them all anyway, why not drop the mast.
Now we can get to the mast electrical wiring too.

And inspect and replace any fittings that look iffy...

And all the nuts, bolts, screws, etc.

Seems a quicker and easier way to go.

IF there is a crane handy...



Sure.. it's only money. :-) Most things will be obvious to someone who
regularly does rigging work, and you can probably find such a person to go
aloft.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:15:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


But, if it doesn't have mast steps installed you'll have to do that
first because replacing standing rigging one wire at a time involves
many trips up the mast.



Yeahbut...

If you are going to replace them all anyway, why not drop the mast.
Now we can get to the mast electrical wiring too.

And inspect and replace any fittings that look iffy...

And all the nuts, bolts, screws, etc.

Seems a quicker and easier way to go.

IF there is a crane handy...


Cranes are expensive. And how long are you going to have to sit in the
yard paying out the wazoo daily while you're working on the rigging. You
can do your own rigging while anchored or moored and it costs nothing
but your time and labor. Not only that but it's safer. At any rate, mast
steps are necessary.

But, if you desire to re-do the internal wiring, and possibly sheaves
and running rigging and standing rigging all at the same time, lowering
the mast might be the way to go.

Any cruising boat should have mast steps. Unlike what Wayne B said about
them, the right kind of steps don't foul halyards and don't rip sails.
Get the folding steps. They are the best. You can install them yourself
with simple tools one at a times using the one you just installed to
stand on to install the next one. When cruising you need a way to get to
the masthead for inspections and repairs and you need to go to the
masthead frequently. It's foolish to have no way to inspect, repair,
install systems at the masthead.

http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=81324F

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

1984 means it's 27 years old. Yes, all the standing rigging needs to be
replaced. Don't waste money on a "professional rigger" checking it
because he'll tell you the same thing.

It's not all that expensive if you do it yourself one shroud or stay at
a time and use Sta-Lok mechanical terminals and top-of-the-line 1 x 19
wire. But, if it doesn't have mast steps installed you'll have to do
that first because replacing standing rigging one wire at a time
involves many trips up the mast.

Wilbur Hubbard


That was my read on it as well.

But the survey says the recommended inspection was "done"..
But not what was found...

I figure the age + the salt = it needs to be replaced.

We'll adjust the price accordingly.

There was a link dropped here to an interesting (actually down right
scary! ) article about the corrosion that develops inside connectors
due to salt water contact.

Wasn't that long ago, but no idea where it went now.

Richard