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On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote: Hi, we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising, mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple. what year? how much does it weigh? are you going to sail it there? how old are you? can you run four 10 minute miles? can you do 25 push ups? can you do five pull ups? bob Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you? |
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On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote: On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote: Hi, we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising, mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple. what year? how much does it weigh? are you going to sail it there? how old are you? can you run four 10 minute miles? can you do 25 push ups? can you do five pull ups? bob Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you? Thanks actually I was asking more about the actual experience with this particular boat. I know that this is basically very good boat probably quite suitable for what I have in mind, I am just trying to find out, what problems problems people had with it. Like poor ventilation for tropics etc. Practical ideas. Thanks Petr |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:09:53 -0000, klubko
wrote: On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, wrote: On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote: On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote: Hi, we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising, mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple. what year? how much does it weigh? are you going to sail it there? how old are you? can you run four 10 minute miles? can you do 25 push ups? can you do five pull ups? bob Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you? Thanks actually I was asking more about the actual experience with this particular boat. I know that this is basically very good boat probably quite suitable for what I have in mind, I am just trying to find out, what problems problems people had with it. Like poor ventilation for tropics etc. Practical ideas. Thanks Petr If you want practical ideas, I've been living aboard in Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand for the past 10 years. Problems you are going to face a Assuming you are at anchor: All sail boats of the type you envision have poor ventilation. Opening the forward hatch gets some air flow but also lets in the mosquitos and screens cut down airflow by a surprising amount. 12 Volt fans don't move a lot of air but help. They also run your batteries down. Refrigeration. Either you are going to carry ice (not always available) or you are going to have a fridge, or you are going shopping everyday. I'd recommend a 12 VDC fridge. On the type of boat you are thinking about there probably isn't a generator set. A Honda, or Chinese made copy, will do everything you need. Water! Water is a problem. It is heavy and not always available. Plan on lugging 20 Ltrs a day and learn how to sanitize it. Renewable power. In SEA wind generators are of limited value - not enough wind. Solar panels, on the other hand work a treat. Getting back and forth to shore. You will need a dinghy and reliable 2 - 3 HP motor. Dinghys do get stolen from time to time. Assuming you are in a marina: You can have a window air con blowing down the front hatch and live comfortable. Big 220 VAC fans move a lot of air. Water no longer is a problem. Just turn on the tap. Visas: If you are from N. America or the EU then: Indonesia is not very hospital with many and varied immigration regulations. You need a cruising permit to take your boat there. Bribery and Corruption is a way of life there. Singapo Gives you a 2 week Seaman's Visa. Staying longer is possible but complicated. Go to the Seaman's section of Immigrations and they will give you exact instructions. No bribery or corruption. Malaysia: 90 day visa after which you must leave the country and return for a new 90 days. I lived there for more then a year leaving for the day every three months. No problems. Very little bribery at the level you will be operating at. Thailand: 30 days upon entry which is renewable for a limited number of months by leaving and returning. Complex visa regulations. Contact a Thai Embassy BEFORE you arrive in Thailand will undoubtedly make the procedure less complex. Bribery is a complex subject here. It exists but can only help in some cases. If you have overstayed your visa a bit of dosh might get you a day or so extension so you don;t have to pay a fine but won;t get you another 30 days. Hope that helps a bit. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Jun 11, 1:48 am, Bruce wrote:
wrote: If you want practical ideas, I've been living aboard in Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand for the past 10 years. Problems you are going to face a Assuming you are at anchor: All sail boats of the type you envision have poor ventilation. Opening the forward hatch gets some air flow but also lets in the mosquitos and screens cut down airflow by a surprising amount. 12 Volt fans don't move a lot of air but help. They also run your batteries down. Refrigeration. Either you are going to carry ice (not always available) or you are going to have a fridge, or you are going shopping everyday. I'd recommend a 12 VDC fridge. On the type of boat you are thinking about there probably isn't a generator set. A Honda, or Chinese made copy, will do everything you need. Water! Water is a problem. It is heavy and not always available. Plan on lugging 20 Ltrs a day and learn how to sanitize it. Renewable power. In SEA wind generators are of limited value - not enough wind. Solar panels, on the other hand work a treat. Getting back and forth to shore. You will need a dinghy and reliable 2 - 3 HP motor. Dinghys do get stolen from time to time. Assuming you are in a marina: You can have a window air con blowing down the front hatch and live comfortable. Big 220 VAC fans move a lot of air. Water no longer is a problem. Just turn on the tap. Visas: If you are from N. America or the EU then: Indonesia is not very hospital with many and varied immigration regulations. You need a cruising permit to take your boat there. Bribery and Corruption is a way of life there. Singapo Gives you a 2 week Seaman's Visa. Staying longer is possible but complicated. Go to the Seaman's section of Immigrations and they will give you exact instructions. No bribery or corruption. Malaysia: 90 day visa after which you must leave the country and return for a new 90 days. I lived there for more then a year leaving for the day every three months. No problems. Very little bribery at the level you will be operating at. Thailand: 30 days upon entry which is renewable for a limited number of months by leaving and returning. Complex visa regulations. Contact a Thai Embassy BEFORE you arrive in Thailand will undoubtedly make the procedure less complex. Bribery is a complex subject here. It exists but can only help in some cases. If you have overstayed your visa a bit of dosh might get you a day or so extension so you don;t have to pay a fine but won;t get you another 30 days. Hope that helps a bit. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) Bruce, excellent post. I have one question. With the bugs, heat, visitor/in-transit requirments, why did you chose that area compared to any other spot in the world? Bob |
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![]() "Bob" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 11, 1:48 am, Bruce wrote: Bruce, excellent post. I have one question. With the bugs, heat, visitor/in-transit requirments, why did you chose that area compared to any other spot in the world? Bob, I guess you have neverbeen to Thailand. I lived for a number of years in Japan and truly loved it, but I think I am changing over to loving Thailand a bit more. Plus the food is great. Leanne |
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On Jun 11, 9:22 am, "Leanne" wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message oups.com... Bob, I guess you have neverbeen to Thailand. I lived for a number of years in Japan and truly loved it, but I think I am changing over to loving Thailand a bit more. Plus the food is great. Leanne Hi Leanne: Very true, never been in that area. That is why I asked. I have fished with a group out of hakodate Hokidio for a while. Interesting guys. food was good if ya liked boiled snails, pacific cod testical soup, and bering sea sculpin head soup. Ummm. So what is so enjoyable about that area. I was talking to John Holmes ex girlfriend who lived there for a while in the 80s. She seemed to like it too. so what gives? What kept you there? Bob |
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![]() Hi Leanne: Very true, never been in that area. That is why I asked. I have fished with a group out of hakodate Hokidio for a while. Interesting guys. food was good if ya liked boiled snails, pacific cod testical soup, and bering sea sculpin head soup. Ummm. So what is so enjoyable about that area. I was talking to John Holmes ex girlfriend who lived there for a while in the 80s. She seemed to like it too. so what gives? What kept you there? I have been all over the country and loved the people and food. Everything is rather laid back, but not as bad as in Central America. My last trip was the first time in Phuket. If I was 20 years younger, I think I could very easily settle there. Nice climate, cost of living good and top medical available. Leanne |
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On Jun 10, 11:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote: On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote: what year? how much does it weigh? are you going to sail it there? how old are you? can you run four 10 minute miles? can you do 25 push ups? can you do five pull ups? Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you? To be honest I really don't pay much attention to Ericksons or Macs for that matter. They just dont interest me. There is a 70s Ericson two slips down that hasn't moved in 8 years. Beautiful interior. That's all I know about them. I also remember two blind people sailing through the Oregon coast last year on some "vision quest." ANd heck even Skip & Lydia went sailing too. There is a guy in an Oregon marina who lives on a 40 something foot ketch so fat the term Morbidly Obese is more accurate. He is so big he can not fit through any of hatches. He limits the times he goes through the companion way door cause it takes about one minute plus to squeeze through. He pretty much is exhausted just getting to the cockpit. But "he sailed" it there a few years ago. So go for it and if you have second thoughts about an Ericson get one of those seaworthy built and mathematically qualified for "blue water" boats like the Mac26. I hear a Mac 26 makes a GREAT sea boat capable of ALL OCEANS travel! At least someone who cross posted here said it could. And with the Disability Act about to require Passenger Vessels and charter boats have wheelchair access might as well get that Ericson equipped with wheel chair ramps, brail on the DC load center and electronics for the blind, and rewrite any manuals so the Dee-Dee-Dees can understand it. Oh, and dont forget to take along three children all under 4 yo, and two dogs cause they are just like members of our family, and of course lavish all adults with an arrogant self centered personality and liberal amounts of rum cause real sailors always drink excessive amounts of rum. That should make for a very capable and dependable crew. They certainly have the right to go sailing around the world. And I support their right fully to do so...................... Bob |
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