Bob wrote:
On Jun 10, 4:26 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?
bob
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Hi Gordon:

Agreed...... lots of old feble, fat, fair, and over fifty people do
it. As I mentined even a blind pair went sailing past the west coast a
few months ago. But I gots to ask: If its such a good idea why does it
typically result in such a media splash? In other words, if its so
normal and common why such attention as if it is a news worth?????

Bob


I get your point but sailing today is easier than ever. Roller
furling, electric winches, GPS, Solar panels, satellite communications
etc etc. Sailing doesn't have to be physically challenging anymore.
Mentally is another story. Old timers disease won't cut it.
G

On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr

* klubko wrote, On 6/13/2007 1:39 AM:
On Jun 13, 11:05 am, Bob wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:19 pm, klubko wrote:

what year?
bob
hilarious, thanks a lot
Hey ClubCo:

What is so "hilarious" about being reasonably ambulatory for a world
cruise. As one earlier poster noted, ".... here we go again...!" I
agree, and also ask, why do people get soooooo argumentative when
fitness is considered as part of pre-cruise planning?

I may lie out of the 2nd SD but...................
Bob

Bob,
I dare to say that I was asking clearly about a particular boat and
personal experience with it. I just don't see how I could have asked
more clearly.

That may be the question asked, but once its out there on a public
forum, it belongs to everyone. And when you don't know the answer to
a question, its easier to just change the question!

And besides, we have an obligation to the thousands of lurkers out
there. If we simply answered the questions, that would imply tacit
approval for anyone to go cruising without passing our inspection.

I used to race one 20 years ago. Downwind with the spinnaker up in heavy air
was quite exciting to put it mildly. We were usually barely in control or
totally out of control most of the time.

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On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two

we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Now, back to ClubCo's Ericson 39 information request......
I dont want to start a name calling ****ing match that typically
starts in sailing.asa. So please read for the writer's intent here.

The reason I asked about the E39s basic scantlings and your physical
condition is that the two are inter dependent. You asked if that boat
was easonable to take you and your wife across the world. If you are
in a wheel chair I would recomend a 4 week tour package with a
skippered charter inbetwen the tour bus adventures. Now if you and
your spouse can actually run four 10 min miles and do 20 push ups your
options of boats just increased dramatically.

But you seemed not able to make that implied assocation in my original
post. So what does that mean?

SOmething to consider............. Donna Lang just finished a solo
round the world trip in a 26' somthing, or was it 28'?

She flurished when other boater's trips perished in the same weather.
Now, why do you think that was possible?

My question to you ClubCo is do you have the same sized balls as an
old granny? SOme say the E39 is a handfull. After looking at some of
the specs fo rthe 70s boats Id say they were designed for a lot of fun/
daysailing/sorta racing within 3 miles of shore. But then again there
was the Ra and the Kontiki and various other rafts, rowboats, and
barrels that seemed to do just fine.

Personally, think westsail 32. NOw there is a boat that will get you
there. I checed one of the webn broakers: 21 wre listed from $30K-
$90K "...Oh, [insert whine] there isnt enough tankage for my daily
showers... and its just too small...." Then I suggest you look to
Carnaval Cruise Inc.

Bob

* Bob wrote, On 6/13/2007 2:18 PM:
They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.
They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two

we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Actually I was making a lame joke, but what you said sounds like fun, too!

On Jun 14, 2:18 am, Bob wrote:
They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Now, back to ClubCo's Ericson 39 information request......
I dont want to start a name calling ****ing match that typically
starts in sailing.asa. So please read for the writer's intent here.

The reason I asked about the E39s basic scantlings and your physical
condition is that the two are inter dependent. You asked if that boat
was easonable to take you and your wife across the world. If you are
in a wheel chair I would recomend a 4 week tour package with a
skippered charter inbetwen the tour bus adventures. Now if you and
your spouse can actually run four 10 min miles and do 20 push ups your
options of boats just increased dramatically.

But you seemed not able to make that implied assocation in my original
post. So what does that mean?

SOmething to consider............. Donna Lang just finished a solo
round the world trip in a 26' somthing, or was it 28'?

She flurished when other boater's trips perished in the same weather.
Now, why do you think that was possible?

My question to you ClubCo is do you have the same sized balls as an
old granny? SOme say the E39 is a handfull. After looking at some of
the specs fo rthe 70s boats Id say they were designed for a lot of fun/
daysailing/sorta racing within 3 miles of shore. But then again there
was the Ra and the Kontiki and various other rafts, rowboats, and
barrels that seemed to do just fine.

Personally, think westsail 32. NOw there is a boat that will get you
there. I checed one of the webn broakers: 21 wre listed from $30K-
$90K "...Oh, [insert whine] there isnt enough tankage for my daily
showers... and its just too small...." Then I suggest you look to
Carnaval Cruise Inc.

Bob


Bob,
any particular reason to change my login name to "clubco"? Please...
I understand your questions and I understand that health and phisical
strenth are important, but let that be my worries... I was really
asking for some experience with this particular boat. I know my
limits, but I didnt know the boat's. It is quite clear that you know
nothing about it (apart from you've heard/read), so perhaps your time
would be better invested on some other posts or go sailing (no offence
meant ).
But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,
but it seems little too small for our purposes.
Best
Petr

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:33:22 -0000, klubko
wrote:

But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,
but it seems little too small for our purposes.

You might be surprised. The WetSnail 32 is a big heavy boat for its
length, not known for its speed of course, but a far better choice for
world cruising than an Ericson 39.

The Ericson 39 was a decent boat in its day but was primarily designed
as a coastal racer/cruiser.

Bob,
any particular reason to change my login name to "clubco"?

Not really...

Please...
I know my
limits, but I didnt know the boat's.

ANd that is what I was getting to. We can look at the specs on the net
or go watch one at a marina or the water. But the marrage/fit between:
boat - operator(s) - intended use - area of operation are 2/3 in your
hands. So anyone's advice is signifacanlty biased. Just my attempt to
get a feel for who you are........

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.

So be very catuious about asking for opinion here. Someone will likely
recomend a Mac 26 for world cruising.

It is quite clear that you know
nothing about it (apart from you've heard/read),

Not to far off. I have walked all over a 70s 34'-36 Eric for a few
years and been inside oneone a couple times. even been under one while
it sat in the water. I assume its bigger sister is about the same: A
very nice coastal cruiser needing a port if it your in a Beaurfort 6
http://ioc.unesco.org/oceanteacher/O...t/SeaState.htm


so perhaps your time
would be better invested on some other posts or go sailing (no offence
meant ).

Ya, most liklely true. But just really board right now. My house will
be for sale this month and the realtor said paint the bare wood. I
hate painting, well actually the preasure wash, scrap, sand, prime bal
bla.
After the house sells I wont be such a bother. Then I get to fininsh a
couple boat projects then head west

But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,

Please do............. They are a very easy boat to ride for their
size and EXTREAMLY stout. The only thing I dont like is that big sprit
on the bow. Same for the Ingrid and Alajuela. That is why I got the
Freya. No 10 foot railroad tie bolted to the bow. I've sailed, crewed,
and spent about a month total time just yaking on three diffrent ones.
very nice boats.....

Go here for some accurate advice about crusing boats.

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

ANd please dont even get me started when some one calls them "slow" Ya
gat to ask, compared to what and will 2 knots really make that big a
deal?????? Oh, but you can out run a storm in a faster
boat............. Ha!


but it seems little too small for our purposes.

What ar eyour purposes. To sail some place or to live some place. the
two goals are in conflect. I fyou want a good live aboard get a 85' x
24 x 13 steel gulf shrimpper with a 540 HP CAT 3412. Now that is a
liveaboard!!! they are going real cheep now. A steal at $120-150,000
But filling the 15,000 gal fuel tank is somthing else....$$ 45,000 for
a fill-up. Gasp.

Best

And best to you too. Just dont chew this one to the bone. Get a West
sail and go have some safe fun. When your wife doesnt like sailing she
will give you the, I hate sailing! Its that damn boat or me! I hope
you make the right choice. You'll have that much more room ! I
did.............. and it was the best choice I ever made

Best to you and your search.

Board Bob

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Thanks for nice post (and thanks to Wayne too)
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so I am
being very causcious here. But I have found some posts on sailnet.net
saying that it takes little practice to tack on WS32, but that it's
not really that slow... of course another post saying: most of the
westsail 32 cruisers told me that they have to motor most of the time :
(
As for ericson 39's ability to handle heavy weather, there are few
salty stories showing that it's actually rather good boat (and also
good for breeze), cf. http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...cson+knockdown,
Guy Stevens' post.
We still have a year or so before the actual purchase so we are still
quite open minded to anything. As for the use, I take back that
westsail 32 would be too small, I was too hasty to click. I don't find
the double-ended boats much appealing either, but I if I could get one
I wouldn't mind at all. Just cosmetics.
Thank
Petr