My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.
\

Actually, that is Wet Snail. Nice ride but wet!
Gordon

On Jun 14, 12:13 am, klubko wrote:
Thanks for nice post (and thanks to Wayne too)
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so......

NOt sure what you mean hear. DO you mean that some people believe that
boats that perform well in light wind are suspect and should be
avoided?


But I have found some posts on sailnet.net
saying that it takes little practice to tack on WS32,

Predictable, stable are words I would use. With that much weight its
got good momentum to continue in a turn. That's why you got to drive
some light boats through a turn. I had a 15 sailing dory that simply
would not tack unless I hoped over to the future lee side at a very
specific time. Something about increased wetted area and drag caused
the tack. Actually in a good small boat (under 20') its possible to
sail it with out a rudder. Just use sail and movable ballast (body)
adjustments and tack away.

but that it's
not really that slow...


Fast and slow are extremely abstract, equivable, opinion language.
What is fast?
Is fast 25 K
14K is slow compared to 25k but fast compared to 6.5.
9.5K
6.5K
4.8K is just right if the 9.5 K boat can only do 3.5K in a the same
conditins where the 4.8 is designed to sustain a comphy ride.

Personally im there for the ride. Id rather lose 3-4 days on a leg and
gain a safe, steady, easy to handle trip.

of course another post saying: most of the
westsail 32 cruisers told me that they have to motor most of the time :

Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Yea, WS32 motor around. But when your offshore and its been blowing
20-35K with gusts to 45K for a week guess what boat will be a
joy....ur maybe less of a pain to sail? Its all about:
AREAS OF OPERATION. What are the sea conditions you'll spend 51% of
your time?

As for ericson 39's ability to handle heavy weather, there are few
salty stories showing that it's actually rather good boat (and also
good for breeze), cf.http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...p?t=3900&highl...,
Guy Stevens' post.

I would be very cautious reading a website dedicated to those who love
a boat. Also ask yourself, where is the majority of the poster's
sailing experience?

Here is a good exercise. Read Skip & Lydia's Great Adventure they
posted here. They took a 45' +/- a foot or so, boat and the wife drove
it on a FL reef. Why? They said they had experienced heavy seas that
caused all the problems that led to the grounding. Now look at the
weather reported both by Skip and NOAA. I think it was something like
12-15' seas and 20K wind.
Those numbers may be a bit off but the moral of their story was, they
were terrified and incapacitated by what we call around here a good
day for sailing. Just think Chicken Little.

We still have a year or so before the actual purchase so we are still
quite open minded to anything.

Great ! ! ! I bought my latest boat in AUG 2001. I'll have my house
sold this summer. And then be, thank God, homeless and 100% sail.

Review that Cruising Boat list link from Mahina. There are lots of
really great boats that have "fallen between the cracks" and many are
listed on the Mahina link.


As for the use, I take back that
westsail 32 would be too small, I was too hasty to click.

Think volume...

I don't find
the double-ended boats much appealing either,

O M G now this is another great debate: Double End v. Others!
I actually read some idiot say that the only reason double enders were
built was because it was the only way you could bend wood into a boat
shape. I guess he forgot about scows/barges, garveys, dorys, etc
Double ended boats are an accceptable design. I have one.

Personally I think the reason double enders are seldom made if GRP now
days........... is they arent popular i.e. marketable. And its hard to
mold a swimming ladder and a cocktail bar to the stern on a double
ender.

Hummmm, I hear those two 19 yo college kids i have painting my house
moving the ladder. Gota go. Have fun with the search and remember:
People only know what they know and most are very willing to convince
you the same.

Board Bob................but soon

but I if I could get one
I wouldn't mind at all. Just cosmetics.
Thank
Petr

On Jun 14, 12:17 pm, Bob wrote:
Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Well said :{))

Here is a good exercise. Read Skip & Lydia's Great Adventure they
posted here. They took a 45' +/- a foot or so, boat and the wife drove
it on a FL reef. Why? They said they had experienced heavy seas that
caused all the problems that led to the grounding. Now look at the
weather reported both by Skip and NOAA. I think it was something like
12-15' seas and 20K wind.
Those numbers may be a bit off but the moral of their story was, they
were terrified and incapacitated by what we call around here a good
day for sailing. Just think Chicken Little.

LOL :{))

ROFL!


Sorry - I'm not really part of this discussion - but this caught my
eye.

If you're really interested, do, indeed, read of our adventures.
However, I doubt - aside from, perhaps, from some stone-casters who
seem to know more than others who were in the area - that you'll find
much resembling the above.

We were definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. Quite
comfortably sailing along in nasty, but not life-threatening,
conditions, nasty enough to cause departures of parts of the boat
which would otherwise remained in place if it weren't rather more than
20k. Hell, we sailed the boat for the first time, over 500 miles, in
wind that never went that (20k) low, with full 135 and main. 20k is
where she starts to come alive...

That we hit the rocks could have been avoided. Going into the weather
that NOAA neglected to mention didn't have to be any other than wet -
but it was definitely a mess, including that the Coast Guard helo
tried three different places before they could set down in it,
finally, and had put enough time on that they couldn't fly it home
before some service - and aside from that we took in the genny and
triple reefed the main, of no moment. Terror and Chicken Little were
in scant presence. It was just an adventure.

Woulda, coulda, and shoulda are of no use after the fact - so,
instead, we just went about rebuilding, and are about finished and
ready to shove off again. Are we likely to make the same mistakes
again? I don't think so. Stay tuned as to whether you agree...

Meanwhile, have fun deciding on your boat. It's a great time. We
took over two years to finalize on our type, after which we owned one
in very short order.

L8R

Skip

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Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Well said :{))

Woulda, coulda, and shoulda are of no use after the fact - so,
instead, we just went about rebuilding, and are about finished and
ready to shove off again. Are we likely to make the same mistakes
again? I don't think so. Stay tuned as to whether you agree...
Skip


Hi SKip:

A truly level handed post to my antagonistic language. My hat is off
to you and proclaim this "Gentleman Skip" day.

I must admit The biggest blonder you did was chronicle in such detail
every step of your project. Even the grounding! My gosh
man.............. if only the Bush administration had an ounce of your
candor, transparency, discovery, and disclosure.

Iv made equally preventable blondes with one costing no doubt double
yours. The difference was I did put it on prime-time for all to
consider, critique, and use as a vicarious lesson.

Good on Skip !

But darn, next time you head out wait till there is some snotty
weather heading your way, sail out as far as you can get in 12 hours,
find the deepest water around, and as far away from any rocks, reefs,
land, and other solid objects. Then just sit there for a week and get
your sea legs. Learn how the boat moves. And learn how to move on the
boat. Oh, and no cheating using motion sickness drugs. Go cold turkey.
Then you can truely go running with Mescalito as did Carlos Castaneda.
Only in this case youll be one with the sea.

But there I go again telling you how to enjoy your boat. I apologize.

Bob

Thanks everyone,
great posts. We are now completely OT (how do I rename the thread ,
but that's OK.

to disambiguate:
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so......
What I mean is that WS32 is considered a slow boat in light wind
conditions, but you answered that for me... i've expanded my notes on
this boat. Thanks
Good luck with your painting

P.S. yes volume, not length, I know, and yes I've learned to be very
cautious in believing people on the internet, including you
Petr

On Jun 14, 10:58 pm, Bob wrote:

Hi SKip:

A truly level handed post to my antagonistic language. My hat is off
to you and proclaim this "Gentleman Skip" day.


:{)) Thank you sir. I try not to panic or overreact, in any case,
literary or at sea...

I must admit The biggest blonder you did was chronicle in such detail
every step of your project. Even the grounding! My gosh
man.............. if only the Bush administration had an ounce of your
candor, transparency, discovery, and disclosure.

LOL


Iv made equally preventable blondes with one costing no doubt double
yours. The difference was I did put it on prime-time for all to
consider, critique, and use as a vicarious lesson.

I'd love to hear about yours...


Good on Skip !

But darn, next time you head out wait till there is some snotty
weather heading your way, sail out as far as you can get in 12 hours,
find the deepest water around, and as far away from any rocks, reefs,
land, and other solid objects. Then just sit there for a week and get
your sea legs. Learn how the boat moves. And learn how to move on the
boat. Oh, and no cheating using motion sickness drugs. Go cold turkey.
Then you can truely go running with Mescalito as did Carlos Castaneda.
Only in this case youll be one with the sea.

But there I go again telling you how to enjoy your boat. I apologize.

Thanks for the qualifier. And, not to worry, as I agree with your
advice. It's one of the specifics I want to do. We've just not had
the opportunity yet. I've (yet to, famous last words) never been
seasick so I don't do any prep, but Lydia has yet to fully find her
sea legs (not that I'm guaranteed to have any, yet, either, cuz my
sailing is pretty limited in the scheme of things), but she's getting
much more comfortable. Once we've lived aboard and out there for a
time, I expect all will be well gastronomically with her.

So, how's Freya?


L8R

Skip

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half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats;
messing about in boats-or *with* boats.

In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter,
that's the charm of it.

Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your
destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never
get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in
particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to
do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not."


Bob

Gordon wrote:

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.
\


Actually, that is Wet Snail. Nice ride but wet!
Gordon

Would be a Southern Cross 31, Baba, or similar.

On Jun 17, 8:29 am, Jim wrote:
Gordon wrote:

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.
\

Actually, that is Wet Snail. Nice ride but wet!
Gordon

Would be a Southern Cross 31, Baba, or similar.

Gordo:

You got good tast Dude ! Nice boats............! In fact, there are
lots of super 30 yo designs out there just languashing away. I think
the hurdle to many boaters making highseas decession, as the Eric-39
guy, is so few (maybe 1:1000) real old salts walking the docks.
Although, one year I had my boat in sitting in a Port Townsend, WA
yard and a nice old gentalman walks over and asked to for his ladder
back. I appologized and said I had thought it was just a yard ladder.
He was a very plesant guy. His current boat at the time in the PT yard
was named "Endangered Species." I think one of his first boats was
named Trekka. Google thoes two boats for some background.

Again a very proper gentalman with some very interesting ideas on
cruising boat design.

Bob