Hey Nomen,
You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or do you just
enjoy being abusive? So far today, you've been so to two separate
posters who offered reasonable opinions to Topic-Mimara.

His stated needs we

- between 25 and 40 feet
- It will be used to travel up and down a river that feeds into the ocean
- aft-cabin
- not need much in the way of major mechanical or structural work,
- a maximum price of $11,000.00

Now, there are numerous 25'-27' boats that fit this criteria, but since the name of this newsgroup is rec.boats.cruising, not rec.boats.daysailing, I think it was a reasonable assumption that we're not talking about a MacGregor 25 here. I/we could be wrong here, but that doesn't invalidate the reasonableness of the assumption. The very fact that his range is so broad (25'-40') seems to indicate that he is at the very beginning of the learning curve. This is certainly no crime, we have all been there, even if it was 30 or 40 years ago as is the case with you and I. But it does indicate that he has a lot of learning to do in order to determine what his needs are before he should start thinking of specific makes and models (the advise he asked for).

We've all known a number of people who jumped into boating by purchasing
a largish boat that was more than they could handle or maintain, turning
them off to boating forever. We've also known people who purchased
boats that were cheap but that needed lots or work only to find that the
cost in terms of time, skill and money was beyond their capability to
supply, again resulting in a miserable and often costly experience. The
two people you lambasted expressed concern that this might happen to the
original poster and suggested he may be better advised to set his
initial sights a little lower. Paul suggested that he do some research
on boating and gave him some good links to start with. Rufus suggested
that he actually get some experience on others boats. Both good
suggestions in my opinion.

You obviously do not share these opinions and chose to express your
disagreement by slinging abuse their way. If all those at your marina
are as unreasonable and unpleasant as you, I probably wouldn't last very
long there either.

I've no doubt that you'll offer up another ration of abuse as a result
of this post, so fire away. I'm a big guy and the fact that an asshole
doesn't like me isn't something that will cause me to loose any sleep.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

you're too lazy, and too self-righteous...So why don't you get off your lazy ass...where there are morons like you...your useless two cents worth,,,You and your kind wouldn't last ten minutes around my marina


You should have spent some of that money...on remedial English classes, skippy. Do you mean "Skis"?





--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

Hmm, it seems that Nomen posts through an anonymous remailer and Ante Topic
Mimara does too.

I believe that we are witness to an entirely new level of troll. Sort of
like troll 2.0.

I will admit that my research is shaky but unless someone has the time to
dig in further I would suggest we simply don't feed them anymore.

Pretty interesting though.

"Daniel E. Best" wrote in message
news:JJCub.180422$mZ5.1296780@attbi_s54...
Hey Nomen,
You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or do you just
enjoy being abusive? So far today, you've been so to two separate
posters who offered reasonable opinions to Topic-Mimara.

His stated needs we

- between 25 and 40 feet
- It will be used to travel up and down a river that feeds into the ocean
- aft-cabin
- not need much in the way of major mechanical or structural work,
- a maximum price of $11,000.00

Now, there are numerous 25'-27' boats that fit this criteria, but since
the name of this newsgroup is rec.boats.cruising, not rec.boats.daysailing,
I think it was a reasonable assumption that we're not talking about a
MacGregor 25 here. I/we could be wrong here, but that doesn't invalidate
the reasonableness of the assumption. The very fact that his range is so
broad (25'-40') seems to indicate that he is at the very beginning of the
learning curve. This is certainly no crime, we have all been there, even if
it was 30 or 40 years ago as is the case with you and I. But it does
indicate that he has a lot of learning to do in order to determine what his
needs are before he should start thinking of specific makes and models (the
advise he asked for).

We've all known a number of people who jumped into boating by purchasing
a largish boat that was more than they could handle or maintain, turning
them off to boating forever. We've also known people who purchased
boats that were cheap but that needed lots or work only to find that the
cost in terms of time, skill and money was beyond their capability to
supply, again resulting in a miserable and often costly experience. The
two people you lambasted expressed concern that this might happen to the
original poster and suggested he may be better advised to set his
initial sights a little lower. Paul suggested that he do some research
on boating and gave him some good links to start with. Rufus suggested
that he actually get some experience on others boats. Both good
suggestions in my opinion.

You obviously do not share these opinions and chose to express your
disagreement by slinging abuse their way. If all those at your marina
are as unreasonable and unpleasant as you, I probably wouldn't last very
long there either.

I've no doubt that you'll offer up another ration of abuse as a result
of this post, so fire away. I'm a big guy and the fact that an asshole
doesn't like me isn't something that will cause me to loose any sleep.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

you're too lazy, and too self-righteous...So why don't you get off your
lazy ass...where there are morons like you...your useless two cents
worth,,,You and your kind wouldn't last ten minutes around my marina


You should have spent some of that money...on remedial English classes,
skippy. Do you mean "Skis"?





--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

Hmm, it seems that Nomen posts through an anonymous remailer and Ante Topic
Mimara does too.

I believe that we are witness to an entirely new level of troll. Sort of
like troll 2.0.

I will admit that my research is shaky but unless someone has the time to
dig in further I would suggest we simply don't feed them anymore.

Pretty interesting though.

"Daniel E. Best" wrote in message
news:JJCub.180422$mZ5.1296780@attbi_s54...
Hey Nomen,
You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or do you just
enjoy being abusive? So far today, you've been so to two separate
posters who offered reasonable opinions to Topic-Mimara.

His stated needs we

- between 25 and 40 feet
- It will be used to travel up and down a river that feeds into the ocean
- aft-cabin
- not need much in the way of major mechanical or structural work,
- a maximum price of $11,000.00

Now, there are numerous 25'-27' boats that fit this criteria, but since
the name of this newsgroup is rec.boats.cruising, not rec.boats.daysailing,
I think it was a reasonable assumption that we're not talking about a
MacGregor 25 here. I/we could be wrong here, but that doesn't invalidate
the reasonableness of the assumption. The very fact that his range is so
broad (25'-40') seems to indicate that he is at the very beginning of the
learning curve. This is certainly no crime, we have all been there, even if
it was 30 or 40 years ago as is the case with you and I. But it does
indicate that he has a lot of learning to do in order to determine what his
needs are before he should start thinking of specific makes and models (the
advise he asked for).

We've all known a number of people who jumped into boating by purchasing
a largish boat that was more than they could handle or maintain, turning
them off to boating forever. We've also known people who purchased
boats that were cheap but that needed lots or work only to find that the
cost in terms of time, skill and money was beyond their capability to
supply, again resulting in a miserable and often costly experience. The
two people you lambasted expressed concern that this might happen to the
original poster and suggested he may be better advised to set his
initial sights a little lower. Paul suggested that he do some research
on boating and gave him some good links to start with. Rufus suggested
that he actually get some experience on others boats. Both good
suggestions in my opinion.

You obviously do not share these opinions and chose to express your
disagreement by slinging abuse their way. If all those at your marina
are as unreasonable and unpleasant as you, I probably wouldn't last very
long there either.

I've no doubt that you'll offer up another ration of abuse as a result
of this post, so fire away. I'm a big guy and the fact that an asshole
doesn't like me isn't something that will cause me to loose any sleep.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

you're too lazy, and too self-righteous...So why don't you get off your
lazy ass...where there are morons like you...your useless two cents
worth,,,You and your kind wouldn't last ten minutes around my marina


You should have spent some of that money...on remedial English classes,
skippy. Do you mean "Skis"?





--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

Daniel E. Best wrote:

Hey Nomen,
You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or do
you just enjoy being abusive? So far today, you've been so
to two separate posters who offered reasonable opinions to
Topic-Mimara.

Gentlemen: Please do not argue on my behalf. I have read many of
posts by people who mean well, and have shown me rightly so that
I do not know a lot about boats. I do not want people to be angry
with one another. Perhaps I should have not expected people to
make suggestions about what I should look for, but rather to tell
me that I needed to learn more about what I should look for. If
this is so, then it is what I should do. I was only hoping that
those here would suggest boat names and makers so that I could
look them up on the internet to see what was available, before I
could decide what kind of boat.

I went to Yacht World website, and saw hundreds of boats made by
many makers. This is the resource I have now to use as a point of
starting to find out what is available. There are many boats not
far from me that are what I am looking at, and I shall go to see
what they look like up close, and ask many questions of the people
around them, to find out what it is that they will tell me about
boats.

But please do not argue on my behalf. Everyone is meaning well
here I know. I see many people telling me to learn more, as well
as I see people telling me it is too dangerous and costly.

Thank you for your help.

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Topic-Mimara
Unique in the World!
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Daniel E. Best wrote:

Hey Nomen,
You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or do
you just enjoy being abusive? So far today, you've been so
to two separate posters who offered reasonable opinions to
Topic-Mimara.

Gentlemen: Please do not argue on my behalf. I have read many of
posts by people who mean well, and have shown me rightly so that
I do not know a lot about boats. I do not want people to be angry
with one another. Perhaps I should have not expected people to
make suggestions about what I should look for, but rather to tell
me that I needed to learn more about what I should look for. If
this is so, then it is what I should do. I was only hoping that
those here would suggest boat names and makers so that I could
look them up on the internet to see what was available, before I
could decide what kind of boat.

I went to Yacht World website, and saw hundreds of boats made by
many makers. This is the resource I have now to use as a point of
starting to find out what is available. There are many boats not
far from me that are what I am looking at, and I shall go to see
what they look like up close, and ask many questions of the people
around them, to find out what it is that they will tell me about
boats.

But please do not argue on my behalf. Everyone is meaning well
here I know. I see many people telling me to learn more, as well
as I see people telling me it is too dangerous and costly.

Thank you for your help.

---
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Topic-Mimara
Unique in the World!
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This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.