Jere Lull wrote:

Ante Topic Mimara wrote:

Skip Gundlach writes:

While it's apparent that you've got a very long learning
curve ahead of you (it seems you haven't any background
in boating so don't know what to specify), the other
responders haven't made your life simple.


You are correct when you believe I have no background
in boats, for I have never even stepped on one, except
for small open ones like 10-12 foot long boats, like
rowboats and such. Why it is so difficult to get clear
answers from people is not something which I understand!
I would have believed everyone would be stepping all over
themself to show me things to research, but not a lot of
this has this happened. I have read from several, of things
which I should go and read, but everyone uses this strange
new terminology and this jargon. Is there a good online
dictionary of yacht-language? If it is so, I should go and
use it, so that I can know these same terms.

I see we all got off on the wrong foot. Let's try again.....

Now there is something wrong with my foot? I see you are making
a joke with me! LOL!

From what I recall in the thread, you and your (wife?) are
completely new to boating, are looking a powerboat with an
aft cabin for under $11k, are on some narrow river you want
to cruise up and down, and may sometimes go on the ocean.

This is something like what I was looking for. Aft Cabin is not
critical to my wants, but could be something I would like, as I
have seen one on the internet that I liked.

That's more than we knew at first, but still not enough to
give you useful information.

What more information could you need? I am looking for a boat
in feet between 25 and 40, that can go in a river (meaning it
must not sit too deep in water) yet can follow a river all the
hundred of miles or so to the ocean. I do not believe I need
two engines, as that means one could go bad, and would be twice
trouble. Diesel, or gas, or alcohol fuel is unimportant, do you
agree?

If you tell us more of what, where and who you are, we can
help you better. For instance, which river (we may know it)
and how far up and down it you want to go, what you want to
do at first (stop at marinas, cruise in little side creeks,
just be on the water....) how often you'll be staying onboard
overnight, and anything else you feel comfortable saying about
your dream. The more we know, the better job we can do.

The river is not important. You may pick any river from Miami
to Maine, and all are the same, as far as I am thinking. I
am afraid of the hackers to know who I am, so I do not think
I will like telling people who I am. Who am I is important in
what way to me knowing what types of boat should I look at?

I know I cannot go past a certain point up the river, not that I
want to go up the river (a funny joke!) and I know that at the
other end is a very large ocean city with lots of boats.

I am thinking that on nice weekends, I may want to take a boat
down the river a hundred or more miles to where the ocean is,
so that we can eat a dinner in the town by the ocean. Also, we
will stay on this boat on other weekends, but not on every
weekend there is. In the springtimes, we may want to go out on
to the coast, and go to other cities on the ocean for two or
more weeks. By looking at maps, I see many big cities very near
by to the end of the river I live near, and all from Jacksonville
Florida to Philadelphia Pennsylvania are within the reach of
what I am thinking as a major springtime trip of two or three
weeks time. Are there not places along the coastline where I
could stop the boat for food and fuel and other things such
as these?

I am also thinking that this trip kind is in years, two or more
away from me. I know that I will have up to one years that I
will have to clean and tidy up boat, and fix any things that
need to be done, and another years and a few month plus that
I will have to get used to being on the boat up and down the
river, and maybe going to the ocean and back in a weekend.

As for staying on the boat for over nights, I have a house and
this is where we sleep when normal, but with a boat, we will
stay on the boat on some nice weekends, when it is not cold
or too hot. In the number of weekends in one year, we would
probably want to stay on the boat perhaps one or two weekends
for every month of a whole year. If it is hot, do boats have
the conditioner of air? This is another thing I do not know,
but I have seen where some boats have hook up to power on shore,
so would that be how the conditioner of air would have power?

Is this the right things I need to think about how I will learn
to use the boat, and what I should do with it?

You see, we all probably have had friends that have been in
your position, that got a boat and immediately "ran" before
they knew how to walk. Most times, the mishaps were merely
amusing afterwards; some were potentially dangerous.

Perhaps I should not go to boating as a hobby then. It seems
like everyone is telling me I will die in a shipwreck.

A friend of ours went out for his first sail with us and
within 3 months (no more experience), got a $6k boat of dubious
condition (he overpaid) and immediately went south towards the
islands. Luckily, he had enough minor mishaps early on that he
learned to slow down and learn what he was doing. He sure had
a lot of funny "experience learned" stories when he flew back
from Florida 6 months later.... (We could do the same trip
in 3 weeks.)

I thank you for writing your message to me. Maybe I should now
think about not buying a boat if it is unsafe and dangerous.

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Have you considered looking into a charter club?

A good charter club with a lot of different boats will allow you
to learn boating skills from more experienced members and
instructors, and will allow you to try out different types of
boats and see what *really* fits your needs. (Or just as
importantly, find out what doesn't meet your needs!)

My husband and I looked at (and almost bought) a couple of boats,
but financial issues forced us to wait. While waiting we joined a
charter club so we could be on the water. It wasn't the same as
owning our own boat, but we learned a *lot* about boating from
people we would never have met otherwise. We also learned that
the boats we had been interested in would not have met our needs.
We finally did buy a boat. It's a bit more of a "project" than we
had hoped, but if we can survive the refit we know she will be
perfect for us.

We are sailors and it sounds like you are interested in power
boats, but there are clubs out there that should have what you
are looking for.

Best of luck

Cindy

Have you considered looking into a charter club?

A good charter club with a lot of different boats will allow you
to learn boating skills from more experienced members and
instructors, and will allow you to try out different types of
boats and see what *really* fits your needs. (Or just as
importantly, find out what doesn't meet your needs!)

My husband and I looked at (and almost bought) a couple of boats,
but financial issues forced us to wait. While waiting we joined a
charter club so we could be on the water. It wasn't the same as
owning our own boat, but we learned a *lot* about boating from
people we would never have met otherwise. We also learned that
the boats we had been interested in would not have met our needs.
We finally did buy a boat. It's a bit more of a "project" than we
had hoped, but if we can survive the refit we know she will be
perfect for us.

We are sailors and it sounds like you are interested in power
boats, but there are clubs out there that should have what you
are looking for.

Best of luck

Cindy

Jere Lull wrote:

Ante Topic Mimara wrote:

Skip Gundlach writes:

While it's apparent that you've got a very long learning
curve ahead of you (it seems you haven't any background
in boating so don't know what to specify), the other
responders haven't made your life simple.


You are correct when you believe I have no background
in boats, for I have never even stepped on one, except
for small open ones like 10-12 foot long boats, like
rowboats and such. Why it is so difficult to get clear
answers from people is not something which I understand!
I would have believed everyone would be stepping all over
themself to show me things to research, but not a lot of
this has this happened. I have read from several, of things
which I should go and read, but everyone uses this strange
new terminology and this jargon. Is there a good online
dictionary of yacht-language? If it is so, I should go and
use it, so that I can know these same terms.

I see we all got off on the wrong foot. Let's try again.....

Now there is something wrong with my foot? I see you are making
a joke with me! LOL!

From what I recall in the thread, you and your (wife?) are
completely new to boating, are looking a powerboat with an
aft cabin for under $11k, are on some narrow river you want
to cruise up and down, and may sometimes go on the ocean.

This is something like what I was looking for. Aft Cabin is not
critical to my wants, but could be something I would like, as I
have seen one on the internet that I liked.

That's more than we knew at first, but still not enough to
give you useful information.

What more information could you need? I am looking for a boat
in feet between 25 and 40, that can go in a river (meaning it
must not sit too deep in water) yet can follow a river all the
hundred of miles or so to the ocean. I do not believe I need
two engines, as that means one could go bad, and would be twice
trouble. Diesel, or gas, or alcohol fuel is unimportant, do you
agree?

If you tell us more of what, where and who you are, we can
help you better. For instance, which river (we may know it)
and how far up and down it you want to go, what you want to
do at first (stop at marinas, cruise in little side creeks,
just be on the water....) how often you'll be staying onboard
overnight, and anything else you feel comfortable saying about
your dream. The more we know, the better job we can do.

The river is not important. You may pick any river from Miami
to Maine, and all are the same, as far as I am thinking. I
am afraid of the hackers to know who I am, so I do not think
I will like telling people who I am. Who am I is important in
what way to me knowing what types of boat should I look at?

I know I cannot go past a certain point up the river, not that I
want to go up the river (a funny joke!) and I know that at the
other end is a very large ocean city with lots of boats.

I am thinking that on nice weekends, I may want to take a boat
down the river a hundred or more miles to where the ocean is,
so that we can eat a dinner in the town by the ocean. Also, we
will stay on this boat on other weekends, but not on every
weekend there is. In the springtimes, we may want to go out on
to the coast, and go to other cities on the ocean for two or
more weeks. By looking at maps, I see many big cities very near
by to the end of the river I live near, and all from Jacksonville
Florida to Philadelphia Pennsylvania are within the reach of
what I am thinking as a major springtime trip of two or three
weeks time. Are there not places along the coastline where I
could stop the boat for food and fuel and other things such
as these?

I am also thinking that this trip kind is in years, two or more
away from me. I know that I will have up to one years that I
will have to clean and tidy up boat, and fix any things that
need to be done, and another years and a few month plus that
I will have to get used to being on the boat up and down the
river, and maybe going to the ocean and back in a weekend.

As for staying on the boat for over nights, I have a house and
this is where we sleep when normal, but with a boat, we will
stay on the boat on some nice weekends, when it is not cold
or too hot. In the number of weekends in one year, we would
probably want to stay on the boat perhaps one or two weekends
for every month of a whole year. If it is hot, do boats have
the conditioner of air? This is another thing I do not know,
but I have seen where some boats have hook up to power on shore,
so would that be how the conditioner of air would have power?

Is this the right things I need to think about how I will learn
to use the boat, and what I should do with it?

You see, we all probably have had friends that have been in
your position, that got a boat and immediately "ran" before
they knew how to walk. Most times, the mishaps were merely
amusing afterwards; some were potentially dangerous.

Perhaps I should not go to boating as a hobby then. It seems
like everyone is telling me I will die in a shipwreck.

A friend of ours went out for his first sail with us and
within 3 months (no more experience), got a $6k boat of dubious
condition (he overpaid) and immediately went south towards the
islands. Luckily, he had enough minor mishaps early on that he
learned to slow down and learn what he was doing. He sure had
a lot of funny "experience learned" stories when he flew back
from Florida 6 months later.... (We could do the same trip
in 3 weeks.)

I thank you for writing your message to me. Maybe I should now
think about not buying a boat if it is unsafe and dangerous.

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Topic-Mimara
Unique in the World!
---


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This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.

Ante Topic Mimara wrote:

Skip Gundlach writes:


While it's apparent that you've got a very long learning
curve ahead of you (it seems you haven't any background
in boating so don't know what to specify), the other
responders haven't made your life simple.



You are correct when you believe I have no background
in boats, for I have never even stepped on one, except
for small open ones like 10-12 foot long boats, like
rowboats and such. Why it is so difficult to get clear
answers from people is not something which I understand!
I would have believed everyone would be stepping all over
themself to show me things to research, but not a lot of
this has this happened. I have read from several, of things
which I should go and read, but everyone uses this strange
new terminology and this jargon. Is there a good online
dictionary of yacht-language? If it is so, I should go and
use it, so that I can know these same terms.


I see we all got off on the wrong foot. Let's try again.....

From what I recall in the thread, you and your (wife?) are completely
new to boating, are looking a powerboat with an aft cabin for under
$11k, are on some narrow river you want to cruise up and down, and may
sometimes go on the ocean. That's more than we knew at first, but still
not enough to give you useful information.

If you tell us more of what, where and who you are, we can help you
better. For instance, which river (we may know it) and how far up and
down it you want to go, what you want to do at first (stop at marinas,
cruise in little side creeks, just be on the water....) how often you'll
be staying onboard overnight, and anything else you feel comfortable
saying about your dream. The more we know, the better job we can do.

You see, we all probably have had friends that have been in your
position, that got a boat and immediately "ran" before they knew how to
walk. Most times, the mishaps were merely amusing afterwards; some were
potentially dangerous.

A friend of ours went out for his first sail with us and within 3 months
(no more experience), got a $6k boat of dubious condition (he overpaid)
and immediately went south towards the islands. Luckily, he had enough
minor mishaps early on that he learned to slow down and learn what he
was doing. He sure had a lot of funny "experience learned" stories when
he flew back from Florida 6 months later.... (We could do the same trip
in 3 weeks.)

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Why it is so difficult to get clear
answers from people is not something which I understand!
I would have believed everyone would be stepping all over
themself to show me things to research, but not a lot of
this has this happened. I have read from several, of things
which I should go and read, but everyone uses this strange
new terminology and this jargon. Is there a good online
dictionary of yacht-language?

You can find good background information about sailing, boats and
cruising at:
- http://www.sailnet.com/resources/boa...e/view_profile

My two favorite books a
- "This Old Boat" from don casey
(lot of basic information for owner's of "old" boats)
- Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual
(pretty much the mechanical bible for boaters)

If you thinking about buying a boat. Check www.marinesurvey.com.
Remindes you to take some time before buying.

Groeten,


Reinoud
(urgh my english sucks)

Reinoud wrote:

You can find good background information about sailing,
boats and cruising at:
- http://www.sailnet.com/resources/boa...e/view_profile

Yes, I think this might be a source of note. Thank you.

My two favorite books a
- "This Old Boat" from don casey
(lot of basic information for owner's of "old" boats)
- Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual
(pretty much the mechanical bible for boaters)

If you thinking about buying a boat. Check www.marinesurvey.com.
Remindes you to take some time before buying.

I am learning more! It is what I seek to do! Thank you!

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Topic-Mimara
Unique in the World!
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This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.

Reinoud wrote:

You can find good background information about sailing,
boats and cruising at:
- http://www.sailnet.com/resources/boa...e/view_profile

Yes, I think this might be a source of note. Thank you.

My two favorite books a
- "This Old Boat" from don casey
(lot of basic information for owner's of "old" boats)
- Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual
(pretty much the mechanical bible for boaters)

If you thinking about buying a boat. Check www.marinesurvey.com.
Remindes you to take some time before buying.

I am learning more! It is what I seek to do! Thank you!

---
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Topic-Mimara
Unique in the World!
---


-=-
This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services.

Why it is so difficult to get clear
answers from people is not something which I understand!
I would have believed everyone would be stepping all over
themself to show me things to research, but not a lot of
this has this happened. I have read from several, of things
which I should go and read, but everyone uses this strange
new terminology and this jargon. Is there a good online
dictionary of yacht-language?

You can find good background information about sailing, boats and
cruising at:
- http://www.sailnet.com/resources/boa...e/view_profile

My two favorite books a
- "This Old Boat" from don casey
(lot of basic information for owner's of "old" boats)
- Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual
(pretty much the mechanical bible for boaters)

If you thinking about buying a boat. Check www.marinesurvey.com.
Remindes you to take some time before buying.

Groeten,


Reinoud
(urgh my english sucks)

I think it should be emphasized that this is a list of project boats.

The original poster stated that he did not want a project boat and it
certainly appears that between his eagerness, lack of experience and
unfamiliarity with the language that he might not readily grasp what these
boats might entail.

Sorry, I realize I'm guilty of yet again not making his life simple but I
don't see a "simple" in here. He wants a ready to go boat from 25-40' for a
max of 11k.

There will be plenty of brokers eager to push their own list of clapped out
boats on him and sell him on the beauty a life on the water. I don't think
we need to do their job for them.





"Skip Gundlach"
.due.to.spam wrote in
message ink.net...
While it's apparent that you've got a very long learning curve ahead of
you
(it seems you haven't any background in boating so don't know what to
specify), the other responders haven't made your life simple.


http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...pbsint=&ps=100

is a URL for the search you want (you'll likely have to cut and paste the
lines unless it wraps when you click on it, to get the full address).
When
you have narrowed down your parameters, you can reduce the number of boats
presented, but for the moment, at least, there's 377 power boats from 25
to
40 feet at under 11,000 USD listed.

When you dump the new boats with no prices, that number reduces. When you
dump the parts of the world you're unwilling to explore, it reduces
further.
When you go from 'all power' to the various (it allows you to select more
than one category of power boat) which are actually important to you, it
further reduces. However, there will still be lots to consider.

Once you've had a look at some of them, go back to the 'advanced search'
button (well, shaded area at the left of the page) and refine this search.

I don't think you'll get any other than a very project boat in your
budget,
but at least it's a place to start.

FWIW, you can see some of the recent threads about my searching; whether
you
agree with my methods, I can tell you that it will produce lots of boats
to
consider...

L8R

Skip