Hey Wilbur--not everything is "an investment" and it's only money!

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:56:08 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:



Well, I'm not a Muslim (nor a "he" for that matter), but Yeshua (aka
"Jesus") is considered a Prophet, along with Moses and Muhammed, and not
"God." There is no god but God, and salvation comes not from believing in a
Man, but by following the Laws of God -- essentially by "Submission to the
Will of God," which is the meaning of Islam.

My Faith differs in significant ways with Islam, in that we believe that
Prophets are sent to every generation, and that there will be no "Last
Prophet" until the end of time. Nevertheless, we agree with them in
significant ways also -- primarily that there is no god but God.

KLC,

Forgive me for the gender slip. I should have learned by now to
respond to initials with this in mind. English does not make this
easy.

It is refreshing to see that someone who is not a Moslem knows so much
about the essentials of the religion. It is amazing how many people
think that we "worship" Mohammed in addition to our normal practices
of flag burning etc.

cheers
Peter

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:56:08 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:




My Faith differs in significant ways with Islam, in that we believe that
Prophets are sent to every generation, and that there will be no "Last
Prophet" until the end of time. Nevertheless, we agree with them in
significant ways also -- primarily that there is no god but God.


I just realised what I had typed after I pressed the Send button. I
hope that I did not come across as patronising. I wasn't.

regards
Peter

On 24 Mar 2007 21:50:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

On Mar 24, 7:56 pm, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
Nevertheless, we agree with them in
significant ways also -- primarily that there is no god but God

But the trick here is, which "god" is God"?

From what I understand, the Gudeo/Christian "God" is one, and the
Islamic "god" is aother, even though they both claim to be sons of
Abraham (Ibirhim). Ishmael, and Issac.

Anyhow, I won't persue this any further in the rec. boats. cruising.

I saw it was mentioned , however, and thought I'd toss some views in
there.


Thanks!

No Tim,
One and the same

Peter

"Peter" wrote in message
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Hey Wilbur--not everything is "an investment" and it's only money!


Spoken like any other pauper . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On 24 Mar 2007 21:46:10 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:41 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On 24 Mar 2007 16:30:50 -0700, "Tim" wrote:





On Mar 23, 4:28 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:52:01 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* Peter Hendra wrote, On 3/23/2007 4:03 AM:

Actually, that confirms my claim that there is no definitive spelling in
English. The preferred English is now Muhammad, but there are many
others and it is polite to follow whatever convention is used for a
personal name. However, according to the Guardian style guide some
Muslims find the traditional spelling "Mohammed" and varients to be
archaic and disrepectful.

Well, that may be so but there are a great deal of Moslems I have met
with my spelling of my name in Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Oman and
in Indonesia and Malaysia. This is the first I have heard of any
spelling of the name to be disrespectful

This is the first I had heard of that. I don't know if its specifically
British, or new political correctness. Of course, a newspaper style guide
is likely to be responsive to a vocal minority, so its not clear what the
meaning of "many" is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide...184829,00.html
Muhammad
Muslims consider Muhammad to be the last of God's prophets, who delivered
God's final message. They recognise Moses and Jesus as prophets also.
The above transliteration is our style for the prophet's name and for most
Muhammads living in Arab countries, though where someone's preferred
spelling is known we respect it, eg Mohamed Al Fayed, Mohamed ElBaradei.
The spelling Mohammed (or variants) is considered archaic by most British
Muslims today, and disrespectful by many of them

Yeah, like there was a Jewish boy running around the Middle East named
"Jesus." It ain't even close to being phonetically correct.

Yes KLC,
He was a Jewish boy. for his entire life, he was never a Christian.

I was always confused as a kid by the many pictures of Jesus (we refer
to him as Isus ibn Mariam - the last often is spelled with a "y").

He was usually portrayed as having blonde hair, fair skin and bright
blue eyes. His outstretched hands were never calloused like other
carpenters.

I'll bet you didn't know that he is also the Moslem Messiah.
.
cheers
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I've never heard of him as a "Moslem Messiah" as far as I know, the
Muslims, consider him a great teacher, but not the "onlybegotten Son
of God" , and deffinately not on the same level as Mohammed.



2. When Jesus stated that he was the "Son of God", this is what any
member of the Pharisees believed - that each was a son of God. Have
you even wondered why Jesus was not brought before the Sanhedrin on
charges of blasphemy because of that statement?

Peter, I was making reference to John 3:16

Conserning the Sanhedrin , yes,m thats correct, but when Jesus was
refering to Him being the Son , and talking of Son/Father about
himself and his relationship with God, you gotta admit, they did get a
bit hacked.

Tim,
It has been a long time, and i don't have a Bible at hand, but from
memory (correct me if I'm wrong) that verse is about "for God so loved
the world that he gave his only begotten son..." As I said, I'm not a
theologian and don't have an answer. The only reason why I am familiar
with it is that, at 15 I was sent to a Seventh Day Adventist
boarding school where everyone had one period each day of a religious
subject in addition to ordinary subjects. As a 'pagan' (yes, they
called me that) I had to take two. They were "Old testament History"
and "New Testament History" and very interesting academically. I
gained top marks in both. Got into conflict though over a few points
such as whether Christ died on a cross or a stake (the original states
clearly "stauros" - stake and whether Mary was virgo intacta - the
orginal word was "maiden" and merely signified that she was not a
married woman.

You should know that we (Moslems) are enjoined to respect the "Peoples
of the Book" (Bible) - the Jews and Christians and consider the Torah
and the rest of the Bible as Holy books. Besides, there is not that
much difference between our beliefs apart from basic doctrine.
Interestingly, I recently worked with a Bahai (sp?) and found that I
could readily relate his beliefs to those of Sufi Islam which is
sometimes considered heresy by some fundamentalists.

Anyway, this is a not a religion discussion group, other wise I would
be here all night.
cheers
Peter

On Mar 23, 4:28 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:52:01 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:







"Jeff" wrote in message
...
* Peter Hendra wrote, On 3/23/2007 4:03 AM:

Actually, that confirms my claim that there is no definitive spelling in
English. The preferred English is now Muhammad, but there are many
others and it is polite to follow whatever convention is used for a
personal name. However, according to the Guardian style guide some
Muslims find the traditional spelling "Mohammed" and varients to be
archaic and disrepectful.

Well, that may be so but there are a great deal of Moslems I have met
with my spelling of my name in Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Oman and
in Indonesia and Malaysia. This is the first I have heard of any
spelling of the name to be disrespectful

This is the first I had heard of that. I don't know if its specifically
British, or new political correctness. Of course, a newspaper style guide
is likely to be responsive to a vocal minority, so its not clear what the
meaning of "many" is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide...184829,00.html
Muhammad
Muslims consider Muhammad to be the last of God's prophets, who delivered
God's final message. They recognise Moses and Jesus as prophets also.
The above transliteration is our style for the prophet's name and for most
Muhammads living in Arab countries, though where someone's preferred
spelling is known we respect it, eg Mohamed Al Fayed, Mohamed ElBaradei.
The spelling Mohammed (or variants) is considered archaic by most British
Muslims today, and disrespectful by many of them

Yeah, like there was a Jewish boy running around the Middle East named
"Jesus." It ain't even close to being phonetically correct.

Yes KLC,
He was a Jewish boy. for his entire life, he was never a Christian.

I was always confused as a kid by the many pictures of Jesus (we refer
to him as Isus ibn Mariam - the last often is spelled with a "y").

He was usually portrayed as having blonde hair, fair skin and bright
blue eyes. His outstretched hands were never calloused like other
carpenters.

I'll bet you didn't know that he is also the Moslem Messiah.
.
cheers
Peter- Hide quoted text -

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I've never heard of him as a "Moslem Messiah" as far as I know, the
Muslims, consider him a great teacher, but not the "onlybegotten Son
of God" , and deffinately not on the same level as Mohammed.

On Mar 21, 2:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:

It's probably all relative...
That so called "average idiot" is probably hauling in well over 6 figures a
year.


And is pencil -whipping it as a total tax write-off

On Mar 21, 4:03 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


You can always charter a boat for a week-end if you highly value
a sunset somewhere aboard. The best of both worlds can be had with a
little sane thinking.


Yeah, charter it from the idiot that paid 100k for it.

and is making a prifit.

On Mar 21, 4:44 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 21 Mar 2007 13:04:09 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:





In article ,
Don White wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...
The average idiot buys a boat for say 100K and finances it for ten years.
He fits it out and keeps it in a slip. The fitting out costs 20K, the slip
costs 5K per year, the insurance costs 1K a year. Haulout for bottom paint
1K a year. Fuel 1/2K a year.

After ten years the idiot has spent 250K paying back the loan, 20K fitting
out, 50K slip fee, 10K insurance, 10K haulout, 5K fuel, oil, filters, etc.

345K invested in a 100K boat that perhaps can be sold in ten years for
75K. Net loss of 270K. You pay 27 thousand dollars a year to use your boat
a dozen or so weekends a year. Stupid, just plain stupid!

Think about it.

Wilbur Hubbard

It's probably all relative...
That so called "average idiot" is probably hauling in well over 6 figures a
year.
Is it any worse that a washed up retiree pulling in 20K per year on a Post
Office pension and spending $5K per year on an ugly yellow boat with purple
interior?
Both are probably spending the same percentage of their discretionary income
on boating.

I guess I'm not the average idiot, darn it. I paid cash for my Sabre; thus, no
financing. The upkeep, upgrades, fees, etc. are deductible business
expenses, and I get to go sailing.

My 21 year old boat would sell for about the same as it sold for new. Cash,
however is not the only measure of value. Sure I've spent thousands every year
on upkeep, upgrades and marina fees. So what? I've been taking huge amounts of
value out in the form of enjoyment that more than covers it.

If you bought a car for $25k, drove it for 20 years and sold it for 25k, would
you consider it a loss because you spent all that money on oil changes, tires,
and brake jobs? I sure wouldn't. The use I got out of it for those 20 years has
value.

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Agreed, Charlie.