On 24 Mar 2007 21:46:10 -0700, "Tim" wrote:
On Mar 24, 4:41 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On 24 Mar 2007 16:30:50 -0700, "Tim" wrote:
On Mar 23, 4:28 am, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:52:01 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Peter Hendra wrote, On 3/23/2007 4:03 AM:
Actually, that confirms my claim that there is no definitive spelling in
English. The preferred English is now Muhammad, but there are many
others and it is polite to follow whatever convention is used for a
personal name. However, according to the Guardian style guide some
Muslims find the traditional spelling "Mohammed" and varients to be
archaic and disrepectful.
Well, that may be so but there are a great deal of Moslems I have met
with my spelling of my name in Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Oman and
in Indonesia and Malaysia. This is the first I have heard of any
spelling of the name to be disrespectful
This is the first I had heard of that. I don't know if its specifically
British, or new political correctness. Of course, a newspaper style guide
is likely to be responsive to a vocal minority, so its not clear what the
meaning of "many" is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide...184829,00.html
Muhammad
Muslims consider Muhammad to be the last of God's prophets, who delivered
God's final message. They recognise Moses and Jesus as prophets also.
The above transliteration is our style for the prophet's name and for most
Muhammads living in Arab countries, though where someone's preferred
spelling is known we respect it, eg Mohamed Al Fayed, Mohamed ElBaradei.
The spelling Mohammed (or variants) is considered archaic by most British
Muslims today, and disrespectful by many of them
Yeah, like there was a Jewish boy running around the Middle East named
"Jesus." It ain't even close to being phonetically correct.
Yes KLC,
He was a Jewish boy. for his entire life, he was never a Christian.
I was always confused as a kid by the many pictures of Jesus (we refer
to him as Isus ibn Mariam - the last often is spelled with a "y").
He was usually portrayed as having blonde hair, fair skin and bright
blue eyes. His outstretched hands were never calloused like other
carpenters.
I'll bet you didn't know that he is also the Moslem Messiah.
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cheers
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I've never heard of him as a "Moslem Messiah" as far as I know, the
Muslims, consider him a great teacher, but not the "onlybegotten Son
of God" , and deffinately not on the same level as Mohammed.
2. When Jesus stated that he was the "Son of God", this is what any
member of the Pharisees believed - that each was a son of God. Have
you even wondered why Jesus was not brought before the Sanhedrin on
charges of blasphemy because of that statement?
Peter, I was making reference to John 3:16
Conserning the Sanhedrin , yes,m thats correct, but when Jesus was
refering to Him being the Son , and talking of Son/Father about
himself and his relationship with God, you gotta admit, they did get a
bit hacked.
Tim,
It has been a long time, and i don't have a Bible at hand, but from
memory (correct me if I'm wrong) that verse is about "for God so loved
the world that he gave his only begotten son..." As I said, I'm not a
theologian and don't have an answer. The only reason why I am familiar
with it is that, at 15 I was sent to a Seventh Day Adventist
boarding school where everyone had one period each day of a religious
subject in addition to ordinary subjects. As a 'pagan' (yes, they
called me that) I had to take two. They were "Old testament History"
and "New Testament History" and very interesting academically. I
gained top marks in both. Got into conflict though over a few points
such as whether Christ died on a cross or a stake (the original states
clearly "stauros" - stake and whether Mary was virgo intacta - the
orginal word was "maiden" and merely signified that she was not a
married woman.
You should know that we (Moslems) are enjoined to respect the "Peoples
of the Book" (Bible) - the Jews and Christians and consider the Torah
and the rest of the Bible as Holy books. Besides, there is not that
much difference between our beliefs apart from basic doctrine.
Interestingly, I recently worked with a Bahai (sp?) and found that I
could readily relate his beliefs to those of Sufi Islam which is
sometimes considered heresy by some fundamentalists.
Anyway, this is a not a religion discussion group, other wise I would
be here all night.
cheers
Peter