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and indeed, in dutch instructions, this form sometimes shows up
And in English instructions, too. From one Dutch knot tyer I read that the two forms are known--in parlance but not in the literature-- as, roughly translated, Naval & Merchant Naval ("Marine"?). e.g.: In the 19th century for the German navy the correct bowline was tail outside, while for the german mercantile marine the correct bowline was tail inside. Peter, where'd you learn this? --sounds much like my source re the Dutch, and as Dutch/German are so close, I think one or the other has it wrong (and I just noticed one mistake re "respectively" in my source, so ...). in english texts it is mentioned as the wrong bowline --- Its a 'reverse' bowline Very weak and can 'trip' There is so much silly stuff re knots! These knots have been tested in kernmantle ropes and found to be of equal strength--though with each there is a range of dressing and orientation that might affect such strength. As for "trip"ing, if anything the common Bowline is more vulnerable to capsizing, as the part of the knot to turn over--i.e., the nipping loop in the standing part--will have begun this by pulling the end in that direction (whereas in the end-outside bowline the corresponding part will bear load). with the bad press that the bowline gets for loosening when the load is removed, I wonder if I might be better off using a buntline hitch instead. --- FWIW, bowline failures are quite rare - while its often discussed few people can offer a recent example It would help the understanding were such knot failures (and successes--"behavior", either way) presented as behavior ***of a material so knotted***, and NOT of a *knot* (which means a schema for making some physical entity). In rockclimbing kernmantle nylon ropes--which are considerably firmer/stiffer than the yachting double-braid shown here, a bowline can loosen readily and come untied--from jiggling, or by capsizing upon a fall. Black Diamond Equipment's recent catalogue featured the story of one of their employees who suffered this fate (and is recovering). No amount of success in using bowlines in material-X can influence how things to in material-W. --dl* ==== |
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