On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:43:18 +0000, NE Sailboat wrote:

So how are all thoes "writer and sailing experts" in the sailing
magazines who have "zillions of miles under their keel" and did
everything and are experts in all things that float going to live after
they are too old to work? I am assuming they did not bank much in 40
years of sailing and writing 500 word articles for $200 each.

Any clues?

Yachtsmen from wealthy families -- who woulda thunk?

Matt O.

Woodsy wrote:


Master plumber. the odd diesel mechanics,gas engine,small engine,etc
classes as continuing education, off the grid for over a decade in
recent past, worked in the weight test and rigging, sail loft on a
tender. B'osun. I own an O-Scope! And a pile of tools I can make a
living off of. Humm, maybe this cheap thing could work. That monster
cat on yacht world looks better and better. Deck crane, pull your
engine and meet you in Tahiti, drop it back in rebuilt. How many cans
of universal refrigerant before you violate a law?

I don't know what a sail loft is doing on a tender, but it seems to me
that you have some skills. The reefer and the diesel will stand you in
good stead making a cash living. Don't fret the laws. We're afloat.



I don't see a lot of positives with a broker.
What makes them desirable, and what makes a good one?

Most boats are listed with brokers so you will pay the commission one
way or another. If you hire a buying broker, you'll pay no more yet
he'll be looking out for your interests, help you point out things on
the test sail, refer you to surveyors who will find what's wrong so
knock down the price of the boat or let you out of the deal.

-paul

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:26:45 -0500, Woodsy wrote:

I don't see a lot of positives with a broker.
What makes them desirable, and what makes a good one?

I think brokers help a lot with price negotiation and making sure that
the deal goes down cleanly.

Most sellers have an inflated view of what their boat is worth. Many
brokers encourage that view in order to get the listing. Succesful
brokers however, also know how to deflate those expectations in the
end game without putting you in an awkward position.

Brokers also act as an escrow agent for holding your deposit until the
surveys and sea trial are successfully completed.

In addition to performing those functions, a good broker will also
know the market very well and give you good advice about specific
types and models of boats.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:02:03 -0700, Paul Cassel
wrote:

Woodsy wrote:


Master plumber. the odd diesel mechanics,gas engine,small engine,etc
classes as continuing education, off the grid for over a decade in
recent past, worked in the weight test and rigging, sail loft on a
tender. B'osun. I own an O-Scope! And a pile of tools I can make a
living off of. Humm, maybe this cheap thing could work. That monster
cat on yacht world looks better and better. Deck crane, pull your
engine and meet you in Tahiti, drop it back in rebuilt. How many cans
of universal refrigerant before you violate a law?

I don't know what a sail loft is doing on a tender, but it seems to me
that you have some skills. The reefer and the diesel will stand you in
good stead making a cash living. Don't fret the laws. We're afloat.

Sail loft made canvas for anything, convert a Destroyer into the
silhouette of a tanker, cover the decks, made a lot of canvas day
bags!




I don't see a lot of positives with a broker.
What makes them desirable, and what makes a good one?

Most boats are listed with brokers so you will pay the commission one
way or another. If you hire a buying broker, you'll pay no more yet
he'll be looking out for your interests, help you point out things on
the test sail, refer you to surveyors who will find what's wrong so
knock down the price of the boat or let you out of the deal.

I like the idea, just had not thought it thru, lets me concentrate on
other things than the details of purchase, other than reading the
contracts? I take it, like real estate, the commission is split
between the 2 brokers?


-paul
--

Woodsy,
Off the Grid, Off the Road, Off my Rocker...

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:18:04 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:26:45 -0500, Woodsy wrote:

I don't see a lot of positives with a broker.
What makes them desirable, and what makes a good one?

I think brokers help a lot with price negotiation and making sure that
the deal goes down cleanly.

I now see many advantages, the above says it all, cleanly!


Most sellers have an inflated view of what their boat is worth. Many
brokers encourage that view in order to get the listing. Succesful
brokers however, also know how to deflate those expectations in the
end game without putting you in an awkward position.

Brokers also act as an escrow agent for holding your deposit until the
surveys and sea trial are successfully completed.

In addition to performing those functions, a good broker will also
know the market very well and give you good advice about specific
types and models of boats.

Invaluable with that, especially at this stage, rather than spend
years figuring it out, better off figuring out a specific boat.

--

Woodsy,
Off the Grid, Off the Road, Off my Rocker...

On 18-Dec-2006, "Bob" wrote:

Woodsy wrote:

My wife and I will be in South Florida for vacation the week
of Christmas, and would like to look at ?catamarans? capable of a
circumnavigation.

I suggest ya read teh post titled Cat Capsized off Oregon coast before
comitting to a cat capable of a round the world.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...GHUN14OU18.DTL


How many upside down cat stories are necessary for people see a
pattern?!?

How many SUNKEN mono hull stories are necessary for people see a pattern?

Woodsy wrote:


I like the idea, just had not thought it thru, lets me concentrate on
other things than the details of purchase, other than reading the
contracts? I take it, like real estate, the commission is split
between the 2 brokers?

Yes. If you hire a broker yourself, he is bound to look after your
interests. Same as real estate.

-paul

NE Sailboat wrote:
So how are all thoes "writer and sailing experts" in the sailing
magazines who have "zillions of miles under their keel" and did
everything and are experts in all things that float going to live after
they are too old to work? I am assuming they did not bank much in 40
years of sailing and writing 500 word articles for $200 each.

Any clues?
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Hi NE Sailboat
Are you living to die or dying to LIVE?

I think you need to read another Lats $ Atts issue. Close quote but
missed it. Get it right.


Those writers who have spent 40
years traveling all over the world and writing $200 dollar articles about
their adventures may not have much money, they might end up poor, homeless,
who knows.

In the united states they'll end up on welfair with you paying their ER
visits cause they dont have any insurance. How many marinas have
wheelchair acess?


But, when their epitath is written, when their last cruise has
ended, they will go to their maker knowing that the trip here on earth was a
great ride.

gag me with a spoon! Im sitting in my motel room again cause I have fix
a window and sort through 40 years of my mom's stuff who died in
september. You want to know somthing, when yore dead your dead. Most
likly you'll just beanother unknown face on an old photo.



Rather than mock them,

MOck them.......... nope. Just not willing to cannonize somebody
selfish enough to play their life away and tthen???? But the other
poster had it right no doubt, children of well of parents.

I think of them as my hero's. I read of their
successes and of their failures. The storms they endured. The good times.
And sometimes the bad.

I certainly wouldnot use the word hero. So they did inteesting things
and now need to turn to others to pay for the decads of interesting
articals. Sounds fun. I have a friend who did the same. NOw that he is
55, no health insurance, no retirment, rented all his life. Now that
life is catching up he is truely scared.

Sure, they could have stayed put, worked at a job,
never set out for who knows where. But some urge, something within them,
sent them out onto the ocean. They ventured forth in small boats. Would we
be a better lot if not for the likes of Captain Joshua Slocum?

He worked for a living. Check out his bio.



Robert Service, the poet put it best.

There's a race of men that don't fit in,
A race that can't stay still;

But when your body does not alow that then what? Die young and leave a
good looking corps?
My dead mom thoght she would justsit in her garden, sip Merlot, and
bliss out to the next world. In reallity death is most likly
agonizingly prolonged. There are a few interesting stats regarding
hospis care and having a family member who will take care of you. I
suppose you can always OD in the cockpit and hope to die of hypothermia
and drugs.


Im thinking you want to live the dream and can not. But this is best
suited for another thread.
Happy Chrismaka