On 12 Aug 2003 12:15:26 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:

the problem is not "if" we **** in the water but "where we **** in the water".
Out in the deep water mother nature can handle an occasional dump. Where we get
into trouble is when we discharge into slow moving creeks or close to beaches
that dont see alot of current. The thing that bothers me is that where I live,
all of the municipal sewage treatment plants are built on small creeks. Its
rare to see a creek anymore that does'nt look grey. I dont think that people
realize that creeks dont naturally look grey.

I, personally, think the sewage plants, run by a government
bureaucracy that's not accountable to anyone but itself, is mostly a
big lie. I live on the historic Ashley River in Charleston, SC, just
up from Magnolia Gardens Plantation, a national historic registry old
Southern plantation. Summerville, SC and Charleston's Commissioners
of Public Works has two huge sewage plants dumping their crap into the
river. While noone was looking because Hurricane Hugo gave them an
excuse in 1989, the plants were backflushed into the river creating an
environmental disaster that the river still feels to this day, 14
years later. The river smelled just like the sewer for over a year
before the tide finally flushed it out enough it didn't just stink.
They dump about 14,000,000 gallons of "treated wastewater", whatever
the hell that means, into it DAILY. The Ashley River IS the
sewer......

And we worry about you ****ing in the river from your boat? How
silly.....

This morning, I drove over to work in Mt Pleasant (AKA Hungry Neck,
before there were any bridges). The I-526 expressway passes, to the
company's dismay, the Westvaco Paper Mill and Planet Destruction
Device. Huge vats of dark brown gook agitated by huge motors sit atop
the seawall into the Cooper River. The big round settling pond that
normally is full to capacity is empty, it's sprayers silent. Wonder
where that crap is going, today, as I type? Wonder where the brown
gook goes at 2AM? Westvaco's plant spews huge clouds of steam (steam
evaporates into thin air, so you can see it's steam...as opposed to
air pollution which trails out to the horizon). If you pass the plant
at, say, 2AM while the city sleeps, huge plumes of "steam" that
DOESN'T evaporate trails out of the huge stacks way out as far as you
can see. The air smells like sewage, too.

It's just steam, you know.

A friend of mine works for Bennett Yard where all the railroad cars
are transferred from train to train in Charleston. The local train to
the Westvaco Stink Factory and Planet Destruction Device crosses
4-lane Rivers Avenue on its way from the yard to the plant. I got
stopped by the train on the roadway waiting for it to pass. 4 huge
tank cars full of some organic acid used in paper production I
couldn't pronounce passed by my windshield making me wonder how many
of us would die if it derailed in North Charleston, a city of a few
hundred thousand. I asked my friend, "Where do these tank cars go
when they are returned full of waste acid from the paper mill?" To my
astonishment, he answered, "Back to the factory that makes it. The
cars are EMPTY!" I asked him how often the plant gets 4 huge tank
cars full of organic acid I cannot pronounce. "Every couple of
days..." was his reply. Now, according to my estimation and knowledge
that the paper mill has been running since I came to Charleston in
1966, all those buildings down there MUST be just full of waste
organic acids I cannot pronounce! But, wait.....They're NOT! Where
does all this acid go? The warning labels on the car look like
Weapons of Mass Destruction! You don't suppose they dump it.....oh,
no....I can't even think about it......IN THE RIVER?!!....or
maybe....no, it couldn't be....UP THE STACKS?!!! It MUST go somewhere
because the cars are EMPTY headed back for more! It's not piling up
on the property, obviously. These are BIG railroad tank
cars....thousands of gallons per DAY!

I know...it's all absorbed in the Kraft Paper and is in all the paper
bags at the grocery store. Hmm....that bag didn't burn a hole in my
hand or eat my shirt when I was carrying the groceries out to the car.
That couldn't be it.

It's gotta either go up the stack to destroy the air or into the river
because those are the only other places liquids go out of
there.....Duhhh...

And they worry about you and me ****ing in the rivers from a boat?


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

I, personally, think the sewage plants, run by a government
bureaucracy that's not accountable to anyone but itself, is mostly a
big lie.

well done larry!

creek & rivers up here in western NY are of not much concern to most
people.Thats because they have never seen a clean one.
Ive seen small creeks that cant even support a spec of life .Ive followed the
creek where i keep my sailboat, to its origin. It begins at a shut down
chemical plant where I observed a light brown dust covering the bottom & no
plant life within 3' of the creekbank. As it continues, straight pipes from
individual septic tanks , & 2 sewage treatment plants liven it up a bit. The
way the PPM requirment is satisfied is by adding canal water to dilute the
concoction. Farther downstream we have a few food processing plants. All of
this input enters lake ontario & if theres not enough rain to wash it out, a
huge 18" thick cake of steaming **** called "cladifora" floats at the entrance
& sometimes blocks me in or out of the creek. the DEC & EPA are no help. they
just blow smoke up my ass

Aha! THAT's the reason for the millions of "Moon Eyes" washed up on
the beach at Fair Haven Beach State Park where I grew up in my
father's umbrella tent in the camping area each summer! Man MOON EYES
STINK!



On 12 Aug 2003 19:51:46 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:

I, personally, think the sewage plants, run by a government
bureaucracy that's not accountable to anyone but itself, is mostly a
big lie.

well done larry!

creek & rivers up here in western NY are of not much concern to most
people.Thats because they have never seen a clean one.
Ive seen small creeks that cant even support a spec of life .Ive followed the
creek where i keep my sailboat, to its origin. It begins at a shut down
chemical plant where I observed a light brown dust covering the bottom & no
plant life within 3' of the creekbank. As it continues, straight pipes from
individual septic tanks , & 2 sewage treatment plants liven it up a bit. The
way the PPM requirment is satisfied is by adding canal water to dilute the
concoction. Farther downstream we have a few food processing plants. All of
this input enters lake ontario & if theres not enough rain to wash it out, a
huge 18" thick cake of steaming **** called "cladifora" floats at the entrance
& sometimes blocks me in or out of the creek. the DEC & EPA are no help. they
just blow smoke up my ass

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

What the heck is a "moon eye"?

--


Keith
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"Larry" wrote in message
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Aha! THAT's the reason for the millions of "Moon Eyes" washed up on
the beach at Fair Haven Beach State Park where I grew up in my
father's umbrella tent in the camping area each summer! Man MOON EYES
STINK!



On 12 Aug 2003 19:51:46 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:

I, personally, think the sewage plants, run by a government
bureaucracy that's not accountable to anyone but itself, is mostly a
big lie.

well done larry!

creek & rivers up here in western NY are of not much concern to most
people.Thats because they have never seen a clean one.
Ive seen small creeks that cant even support a spec of life .Ive
followed the
creek where i keep my sailboat, to its origin. It begins at a shut down
chemical plant where I observed a light brown dust covering the bottom &
no
plant life within 3' of the creekbank. As it continues, straight pipes
from
individual septic tanks , & 2 sewage treatment plants liven it up a bit.
The
way the PPM requirment is satisfied is by adding canal water to dilute
the
concoction. Farther downstream we have a few food processing plants. All
of
this input enters lake ontario & if theres not enough rain to wash it
out, a
huge 18" thick cake of steaming **** called "cladifora" floats at the
entrance
& sometimes blocks me in or out of the creek. the DEC & EPA are no help.
they
just blow smoke up my ass

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

My point in the original post was that the government allows large
sewage discharges into our waterways with apparently little or no long
term impact in many areas. The posts here and in previous threads
verify that it is not just an isolated example. Most boats stay on
trailers or at the peer most of the time. I do not believe there are
that many pleasure boats cruising around the east coast, yet they seem
to have zeroed in on pleasure craft as a major contributor. Writing to
my congress men didn't seem to have any impact. How did this happen to
us and how can we get out of it?

Ron

To lazy to get out of my Lazy boy where the Webtv is hooked to a large
screen to do this from my dual processor server or P IV, 2 gig
workstation that are 15 feet away.

My point in the original post was that the government allows large
sewage discharges into our waterways with apparently little or no long
term impact in many areas. The posts here and in previous threads
verify that it is not just an isolated example. Most boats stay on
trailers or at the peer most of the time. I do not believe there are
that many pleasure boats cruising around the east coast, yet they seem
to have zeroed in on pleasure craft as a major contributor. Writing to
my congress men didn't seem to have any impact. How did this happen to
us and how can we get out of it?

Ron


heres the irony: we are supposed to dump our holding tanks into marina
holding tanks ,which in turn dump their holding tanks into the municipal sewage
treatment facility, which in turn dumps it back in the creek

On 13 Aug 2003 14:03:28 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:



heres the irony: we are supposed to dump our holding tanks into marina
holding tanks ,which in turn dump their holding tanks into the municipal sewage
treatment facility, which in turn dumps it back in the creek

.......after they store it until it's indigestible to marine life and
make sewage out of it.


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:34:35 -0500, "Keith"
wrote:

What the heck is a "moon eye"?

A flat little silver fish with big eyes that die by the billions after
breeding and wash up on Lake Ontario beaches by the millions, making
"going to the beach" sort of like "going to the dumpster at the boat
ramp after the fishermen have been there". PU!

Not sure what their real name is....


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

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On 12 Aug 2003 12:15:26 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:
excuse in 1989, the plants were backflushed into the river creating an
environmental disaster that the river still feels to this day, 14
years later. The river smelled just like the sewer for over a year
before the tide finally flushed it out enough it didn't just stink.
They dump about 14,000,000 gallons of "treated wastewater", whatever
the hell that means, into it DAILY. The Ashley River IS the
sewer......

Probably the US in general is not really up to date when it comes to
protecting environment? I'm just thinking about the rotten cars that you
find in many backyards, plastic & foam stuff wrapped around the burgers,
countless plastic bags, cars with low fuel efficiency, no wind/solar energy
concept, the refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, ...

just my $.02

#rb

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"Larry" wrote in message
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On 12 Aug 2003 12:15:26 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:
excuse in 1989, the plants were backflushed into the river creating an
environmental disaster that the river still feels to this day, 14
years later. The river smelled just like the sewer for over a year
before the tide finally flushed it out enough it didn't just stink.
They dump about 14,000,000 gallons of "treated wastewater", whatever
the hell that means, into it DAILY. The Ashley River IS the
sewer......

Probably the US in general is not really up to date when it comes to
protecting environment? I'm just thinking about the rotten cars that you
find in many backyards, plastic & foam stuff wrapped around the burgers,
countless plastic bags, cars with low fuel efficiency, no wind/solar
energy
concept, the refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol, ...


I think you check, you'll find that the US is ahead of the most of the world
in environmental protection (with the notable exception of Kyoto). We don't
have all the dirty, particulate-spewing diesel-powered passenger cars. Our
cars are not fuel efficient on average but they're clean -- in the rest of
the world they may be more efficient but they're dirtier. For example,
catalytic converters were introduced in the US in 1974 but weren't required
by law in Europe until 1993:

http://www.uyseg.org/catalysis/catalytic/cat1.htm

And, in fact, the US environment is far cleaner than it used to be. Waters
are much cleaner than a generation ago, air also. Huge amounts of forest
have regrown in the last century. Sewage discharges remain a problem in
some areas, but they're not nearly the problem they once were.
Double-crested Cormorants, once a threatened species in the era of DDT are
now becoming a nuisance in the Great Lakes and Bald Eagles are now a fairly
common sight. Even the range of large predators are expanding (wolves,
bears, mtn lions).

Mark