This weekend the City of Hampton VA allowed 2 million gallons of raw
sewage to wash into the James River just outside the Chesapeake Bay.
The cause was 3 inches of rain fall. They must have never heard of
berms like all the private petroleum companies have to have around their
tanks. Of coarse the city is exempt from any sanctions. I wonder how
many boats does it take to produce 2 million gallons of sewage.
Somethings wrong with this picture.

Ron

Yep, and they keep making no discharge zones where on-board treatment
systems like the Lectrasan can't be used, even though they treat waste
better than the municipal plants. We keep trying to get the Saxton bill
through, but hasn't made it yet.

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Keith
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Yachting is actually living in extravagant squalor.
"Ron Thornton" wrote in message
...
This weekend the City of Hampton VA allowed 2 million gallons of raw
sewage to wash into the James River just outside the Chesapeake Bay.
The cause was 3 inches of rain fall. They must have never heard of
berms like all the private petroleum companies have to have around their
tanks. Of coarse the city is exempt from any sanctions. I wonder how
many boats does it take to produce 2 million gallons of sewage.
Somethings wrong with this picture.

Ron

Boats don't produce "sewage", a mixture of dangerous chemicals, heavy
metals, amazingly toxic biology bred by long trips in hot pipes
underground.

Boats produce the same thing as whales, bottlenosed dolphins, and a
billion other species that dump into the sea soup mix of recyclable
materials........unless you put it in a holding tank and TURN it into
sewage with chemical crap out of a bottle and store it for a month.
THEN, it's sewage!

Human waste is just as much food, on a much smaller scale, as whale
waste if you flush it directly overboard.

Of course, we're brainwashed from birth to think that anything
associated with "down there" is filthy, nasty, dirty and, most of all,
ungodly unless it produces a new revenue source for religion to be
exploited.

Human urine is one of the most germ free substances on earth!



On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:20:20 -0400 (EDT), (Ron
Thornton) wrote:

This weekend the City of Hampton VA allowed 2 million gallons of raw
sewage to wash into the James River just outside the Chesapeake Bay.
The cause was 3 inches of rain fall. They must have never heard of
berms like all the private petroleum companies have to have around their
tanks. Of coarse the city is exempt from any sanctions. I wonder how
many boats does it take to produce 2 million gallons of sewage.
Somethings wrong with this picture.

Ron


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

I don't disagree with your attitude- but your "facts" are suspect -
next to your colon, your bladder lining is the biggest shedder of dead
cells - ie. **** in a bowl, cover with saran wrap for 2-3 weeks and
drink that - how about even smell that.



On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:40:55 GMT, (Larry) wrote:

Human urine is one of the most germ free substances on earth!

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:37:52 -0700, ouch wrote:

I don't disagree with your attitude- but your "facts" are suspect -
next to your colon, your bladder lining is the biggest shedder of dead
cells - ie. **** in a bowl, cover with saran wrap for 2-3 weeks and
drink that - how about even smell that.

Point is....we're the only species on the planet that makes it a crime
to **** in the water. Billions of marine life thinks nothing of it
and hasn't for billions of years. According to your theory, the ocean
should be brown by now, not that azure blue and so clear you can see
the bottom in 100' of water.

What do you think the crabs and shrimp eat, crab and shrimp
food?...(c;

Human waste, like every other animal waste on the planet is made for
nature to RECYCLE!....not turned into chemical sewage with a 20,000
year half-life.

The Japanese haul it out of their outhouses and fertilize their food
with it! Notice how many Japanese there are? It works!


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

the problem is not "if" we **** in the water but "where we **** in the water".
Out in the deep water mother nature can handle an occasional dump. Where we get
into trouble is when we discharge into slow moving creeks or close to beaches
that dont see alot of current. The thing that bothers me is that where I live,
all of the municipal sewage treatment plants are built on small creeks. Its
rare to see a creek anymore that does'nt look grey. I dont think that people
realize that creeks dont naturally look grey.

On 12 Aug 2003 12:15:26 GMT, (Wwj2110) wrote:

the problem is not "if" we **** in the water but "where we **** in the water".
Out in the deep water mother nature can handle an occasional dump. Where we get
into trouble is when we discharge into slow moving creeks or close to beaches
that dont see alot of current. The thing that bothers me is that where I live,
all of the municipal sewage treatment plants are built on small creeks. Its
rare to see a creek anymore that does'nt look grey. I dont think that people
realize that creeks dont naturally look grey.

I, personally, think the sewage plants, run by a government
bureaucracy that's not accountable to anyone but itself, is mostly a
big lie. I live on the historic Ashley River in Charleston, SC, just
up from Magnolia Gardens Plantation, a national historic registry old
Southern plantation. Summerville, SC and Charleston's Commissioners
of Public Works has two huge sewage plants dumping their crap into the
river. While noone was looking because Hurricane Hugo gave them an
excuse in 1989, the plants were backflushed into the river creating an
environmental disaster that the river still feels to this day, 14
years later. The river smelled just like the sewer for over a year
before the tide finally flushed it out enough it didn't just stink.
They dump about 14,000,000 gallons of "treated wastewater", whatever
the hell that means, into it DAILY. The Ashley River IS the
sewer......

And we worry about you ****ing in the river from your boat? How
silly.....

This morning, I drove over to work in Mt Pleasant (AKA Hungry Neck,
before there were any bridges). The I-526 expressway passes, to the
company's dismay, the Westvaco Paper Mill and Planet Destruction
Device. Huge vats of dark brown gook agitated by huge motors sit atop
the seawall into the Cooper River. The big round settling pond that
normally is full to capacity is empty, it's sprayers silent. Wonder
where that crap is going, today, as I type? Wonder where the brown
gook goes at 2AM? Westvaco's plant spews huge clouds of steam (steam
evaporates into thin air, so you can see it's steam...as opposed to
air pollution which trails out to the horizon). If you pass the plant
at, say, 2AM while the city sleeps, huge plumes of "steam" that
DOESN'T evaporate trails out of the huge stacks way out as far as you
can see. The air smells like sewage, too.

It's just steam, you know.

A friend of mine works for Bennett Yard where all the railroad cars
are transferred from train to train in Charleston. The local train to
the Westvaco Stink Factory and Planet Destruction Device crosses
4-lane Rivers Avenue on its way from the yard to the plant. I got
stopped by the train on the roadway waiting for it to pass. 4 huge
tank cars full of some organic acid used in paper production I
couldn't pronounce passed by my windshield making me wonder how many
of us would die if it derailed in North Charleston, a city of a few
hundred thousand. I asked my friend, "Where do these tank cars go
when they are returned full of waste acid from the paper mill?" To my
astonishment, he answered, "Back to the factory that makes it. The
cars are EMPTY!" I asked him how often the plant gets 4 huge tank
cars full of organic acid I cannot pronounce. "Every couple of
days..." was his reply. Now, according to my estimation and knowledge
that the paper mill has been running since I came to Charleston in
1966, all those buildings down there MUST be just full of waste
organic acids I cannot pronounce! But, wait.....They're NOT! Where
does all this acid go? The warning labels on the car look like
Weapons of Mass Destruction! You don't suppose they dump it.....oh,
no....I can't even think about it......IN THE RIVER?!!....or
maybe....no, it couldn't be....UP THE STACKS?!!! It MUST go somewhere
because the cars are EMPTY headed back for more! It's not piling up
on the property, obviously. These are BIG railroad tank
cars....thousands of gallons per DAY!

I know...it's all absorbed in the Kraft Paper and is in all the paper
bags at the grocery store. Hmm....that bag didn't burn a hole in my
hand or eat my shirt when I was carrying the groceries out to the car.
That couldn't be it.

It's gotta either go up the stack to destroy the air or into the river
because those are the only other places liquids go out of
there.....Duhhh...

And they worry about you and me ****ing in the rivers from a boat?


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

the problem is not "if" we **** in the water but "where we **** in the
water".


My boat is in San Francisco Bay and there
is good water movement due to good tidal
movement. In spite of that, in my marina,
in the shallow end near to shore, there is
often a film of 'unnatural' looking origin. I suspect it is from waste being
discharged.
There is of course no way for me to confirm this. I wonder if some people in
the marina are discharging waste.
As a nurse, I can tell you that urine is
definitely 'sterile', (without bacteria) unless
you have a urinary tract infection or have
some other disease. However, 'sterile',
in this case is not synonymous with 'clean'. Urine is waste. That's why our
bodies get rid of it. Given enough of it in
a small area of water, it does effect the water quality. Where that line is, I
don't
know. I suspect that the closer to shore
you are, the less it takes to actually detract from the quality of shore
beauty.

My two cents
Mark

Larry wrote:

....we're the only species on the planet that makes it a crime
to **** in the water.

Wonderful logic, Larry. Do you have any stock market advice, too?

DSK

ouch wrote in message . ..
I don't disagree with your attitude- but your "facts" are suspect -
next to your colon, your bladder lining is the biggest shedder of dead
cells - ie. **** in a bowl, cover with saran wrap for 2-3 weeks and
drink that - how about even smell that.



Your urine should be sterile on exit, if its not you are ill. Of
course it smells after a while, that's because lots of bugs eat it.
Any nutritious substance smells after a while.

What has dead cells got to do with anything; the sea is full of cells
many of them structured into wondeful organisms !