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Uh huh...fascinating. A very compelling and coherent point there! :)

richforman

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Mys Terry wrote:
On 10 Apr 2006 12:59:05 -0700, wrote:

Uh huh...fascinating. A very compelling and coherent point there! :)

richforman

Fbeel vg jnf sne bire lbhe urnq naq lbh pbhyqa'g yrnea nalguvat sebz vg. V'q
yvxr gb ercbfg vg va n jnl lbh zvtug or noyr gb tenfc vg, ohg hagvy gur
grpuabybtl vzcebirf, V jba'g or noyr gb cbfg gb hfrarg jvgu penlbaf.

Bhpu, jung n fgvatvat naq jvggl pbzronpx. Penlbaf! Tbbq bar. Naq
chggvat vg va gur glcr
bs cbqr V pbhyq eblir jura V sne nobhg ryrira, naq abj gbbx zr nobhg
gvir zvahgrf....irel vzcerffvir gbhpu. Trr, qb V grry qhzo abj.

evpugbezna

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prodigal1 wrote:

This is a "cruising" newsgroup. Perhaps your interest in highspeed toys
for the those with too many toys might be better satisfied in another forum.


Dear prodigal1:

I agree. Its the first time I read through this discussion completely
in a few days............ ugh.

Although I really enjoyed the "marketing materials." In my job right
now we call them emotional appeals. Use them to "get people to do what
you want" = persuasion.
In the marketing world I think they are called psychological needs. It
all originates form a guy called A. Maslow and his Hierarch of Needs
model. I identify a person's need, use the words that gets the guy
stiff and they poor sap will buy the Brooklyn bridge.

Or to quote some cheese movie, " I got a need for speed."

Just bought the Drogue Data Base book. Interesting read. Time to finish
it along with my morning coffee.

Rhetor Bob

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Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ
Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much
enterprise-level software have you designed and developed? How
accomplished a musician you are (I'll give you the set list of the band
I play in, tell me how long it would take you to figure out and
recreate the keyboard parts and vocal arrangements to all the Yes, ELP,
Dream Theatre, Rush, material we cover, I'll give you a decade head
start.) (Sorry I made a few typos in my previous post in your "super
secret code," guess I was a little sloppy, I think your original
feeling was that I woud be baffled by your ingenious code and think it
was gibberish, when in fact, I "solved" it in about five minutes, like
I said, I was solving those since I think I was about eleven or
twelve.... okay, you got me, I transposed a few of the letters
incorrectly from the sheet I scribblingly solved it on into my post,
that's kind of beyond the point, oh yeah, I'm dumb.) Do you do the
Sunday NY Times crossword puzzles; how long does it take you, I'll race
you on one any week, any year, in fact that's what I often to on my pwc
on a Sunday, take the crossword to a puzzle and a pen in a dry bag to a
boating beach and do the puzzle in the sun, love to meet you out there
and see you try one one weekend this summer. What was dumb IMO was
for you to think there was anything remotely clever or interesting or
challenging or smart about putting your in a simple child's
substitution code in the first place as if that was going to be somehow
stupeified by this billiant ingenious ruse.

richforman

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Could be his brother? Maybe we could ask for a Speedo pic. for
identification purposes----and a good laugh!

"Mys Terry" skrev i en meddelelse
...
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:21:22 +0200, "Robert Larder"
wrote:

Is Jax back I wonder?


Now there's a scary thought! He's from the same general area, too.



fxeri v ra zrqqryryfr
roups.com...
Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ
Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much

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Mys Terry wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 09:58:25 -0700, wrote:

Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ
Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much
enterprise-level software have you designed and developed? How
accomplished a musician you are (I'll give you the set list of the band
I play in, tell me how long it would take you to figure out and
recreate the keyboard parts and vocal arrangements to all the Yes, ELP,
Dream Theatre, Rush, material we cover, I'll give you a decade head
start.) (Sorry I made a few typos in my previous post in your "super
secret code," guess I was a little sloppy, I think your original
feeling was that I woud be baffled by your ingenious code and think it
was gibberish, when in fact, I "solved" it in about five minutes, like
I said, I was solving those since I think I was about eleven or
twelve.... okay, you got me, I transposed a few of the letters
incorrectly from the sheet I scribblingly solved it on into my post,
that's kind of beyond the point, oh yeah, I'm dumb.) Do you do the
Sunday NY Times crossword puzzles; how long does it take you, I'll race
you on one any week, any year, in fact that's what I often to on my pwc
on a Sunday, take the crossword to a puzzle and a pen in a dry bag to a
boating beach and do the puzzle in the sun, love to meet you out there
and see you try one one weekend this summer. What was dumb IMO was
for you to think there was anything remotely clever or interesting or
challenging or smart about putting your in a simple child's
substitution code in the first place as if that was going to be somehow
stupeified by this billiant ingenious ruse.

richforman

All of this silly self aggrandizement just proves my point and shows
why you are making friends here so easily.

Hey, YOU were the one that questioned and insulted my intelligence.
Sorry I took offense and responded instead of just cowering away, "Mys
Terry,"
more cleverness and brilliance there.
And how self aggrandizing was it to put your lame message in
substitution code for no earthly reason? Seemed like the only possible
reason was because you thought it somehow made you look clever or
smart.

You are just another
annoying belligerent Jetskier with an overblown ego. You really don't
sound all that intelligent, either.

Again....you're wrong. Sorry to sound self-aggrandizing but I"m
responding to your statements, which are gratuitously hurtful and
insulting to me. As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent.
In the top 2 percentile of the population. This has been given as
the result when I have been tested for IQ from early childhood all
through my life. Sorry, I don't mean to brag and it doesn't mean that
much in the scheme of things, but the fact is that again, your
impressions, your insights, are mistaken and you are talking about
something you obviously know nothing about. I am not stupid, not
dumb, I happen to be quite intelligent, anybody who knows me or works
with me knows it, and I just don't take well to being spoken down to
and insulted....it's only human. You're wrong, okay? If you think
you're so much more intelligent than me, how about a game of Scrabble
or an in-person challenge over some kind of puzzle even more complex
than a simple childish letter-substitution cryptogram? You didn't
answer any of my questions. If you're so much more intelligent than I,
just tell me your IQ and SAT's and whether you've tested into Mensa.
Strictly honors system, I'll believe you. **** you anyway. I have no
problem making friends in any environment in life or online except
sometimes here in rec.boats.cruising; "belligerent" is about the last
thing in the world that anybody who knows me in real life would be able
to say about me - I guess some of you guys just bring out the best in
me with your charming friendly attitudes.

So why did you do the cryptogram in the first place, "Mys"? Wasn't it
to show how smart you are, or how dumb I was when I was unable to
decipher you brilliantly encrypted and razor-sharp witticism?

Have you ever heard the
expression, "you just jumped the shark"?

Well, that's not quite the expression you mean, but sure, it usually
refers to when a tv series is no longer any good in the speaker's
opinion, or maybe when a rock band stops being cool and puts out their
first lame album.


richforman

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In article .com,
wrote:

Mys Terry wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 09:58:25 -0700, wrote:

Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ
Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much
enterprise-level software have you designed and developed? How
accomplished a musician you are (I'll give you the set list of the band
I play in, tell me how long it would take you to figure out and
recreate the keyboard parts and vocal arrangements to all the Yes, ELP,
Dream Theatre, Rush, material we cover, I'll give you a decade head
start.) (Sorry I made a few typos in my previous post in your "super
secret code," guess I was a little sloppy, I think your original
feeling was that I woud be baffled by your ingenious code and think it
was gibberish, when in fact, I "solved" it in about five minutes, like
I said, I was solving those since I think I was about eleven or
twelve.... okay, you got me, I transposed a few of the letters
incorrectly from the sheet I scribblingly solved it on into my post,
that's kind of beyond the point, oh yeah, I'm dumb.) Do you do the
Sunday NY Times crossword puzzles; how long does it take you, I'll race
you on one any week, any year, in fact that's what I often to on my pwc
on a Sunday, take the crossword to a puzzle and a pen in a dry bag to a
boating beach and do the puzzle in the sun, love to meet you out there
and see you try one one weekend this summer. What was dumb IMO was
for you to think there was anything remotely clever or interesting or
challenging or smart about putting your in a simple child's
substitution code in the first place as if that was going to be somehow
stupeified by this billiant ingenious ruse.

richforman

All of this silly self aggrandizement just proves my point and shows
why you are making friends here so easily.

Hey, YOU were the one that questioned and insulted my intelligence.
Sorry I took offense and responded instead of just cowering away, "Mys
Terry,"
more cleverness and brilliance there.
And how self aggrandizing was it to put your lame message in
substitution code for no earthly reason? Seemed like the only possible
reason was because you thought it somehow made you look clever or
smart.

You are just another
annoying belligerent Jetskier with an overblown ego. You really don't
sound all that intelligent, either.

Again....you're wrong. Sorry to sound self-aggrandizing but I"m
responding to your statements, which are gratuitously hurtful and
insulting to me. As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent.
In the top 2 percentile of the population.

Gee, all that 'talent' and you can't learn how to sail.

PDW

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In article . com,
wrote:

Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it.

Well, you can't work out that mostly, we don't want to discuss PWC
except how to eliminate them from public waterways or use them as
targets. You're belligerent and defensive and haven't made any attempt
to justify why a small craft carrying 2 people *needs* anything like
200+ HP to drive it. AS I said a while ago, you don't want to get out
on the water, you want to get out on the water *and go fast*.

This puts you squarely into the rev-head category along with the
cigarette boat clowns and other high speed pleasure cruisers, one of
whom is generally sufficient to ruin the ambience for kayakers, sailors
and fishermen. I reckon hell will freeze over before you guys get the
PWC ban lifted where I live.

BTW I just bought 2 225HP 4 stroke o/b motors, but they're going on a
30' 6 tonne workboat that carries up to 12 pax and 20 SCUBA tanks plus
cld water immersion gear etc etc. Works out to a bit over 37 HP per
person and even that's a bit excessive. My little toy sailboat gets by
quite handily with a 2 HP Honda 4 stroke o/b.

PDW

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... As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent.
In the top 2 percentile of the population.


Peter Wiley wrote:
Gee, all that 'talent' and you can't learn how to sail.


He probably wouldn't find it noisy or fast-paced enough. We
are dealing with a huge population of people... the 3rd
generation of 'raised-by-TV' kids... who are pathologically
impatient and have short attention spans. Most of them also
believe that gratification of their whim of the moment
should be the highest priority of the Universe.

This is one reason why politics have devolved to the point
it has today.

Sailing is complex & subtle, requires careful observation of
one's surroundings, and analysis of forces which cannot be
directly seen.

Asking most people to learn to sail would be like asking a
Jack Russell terrier to learn chess.

DSK

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Mys Terry wrote:

On 11 Apr 2006 13:25:19 -0700, wrote:


All of this silly self aggrandizement just proves my point and shows
why you are making friends here so easily.

Hey, YOU were the one that questioned and insulted my intelligence.

Questioning your intelligence was reasonable under the circumstances.

Sorry I took offense and responded instead of just cowering away, "Mys
Terry,"
more cleverness and brilliance there.
And how self aggrandizing was it to put your lame message in
substitution code for no earthly reason? Seemed like the only possible
reason was because you thought it somehow made you look clever or
smart.


Actually, I figured by using ROT13, everybody except you would read it and have
a good laugh at your expense. You really beg for abuse. It all goes back to
your giant ego.


So then just admit that you were completely dead wrong, as I said
above, in figuring that I wouldn't be able to decipher and read it. I
was in on the hilariously witty and original "crayons" barb. You
underestimated my intelligence and cleverness, right? Will you go
along that far? You're saying right here that you for some reason
didn't think I would be able to read your brilliantly encoded message?
SO your estimation of my mental acuity were off-base?


As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent.
In the top 2 percentile of the population. This has been given as
the result when I have been tested for IQ from early childhood all
through my life. Sorry, I don't mean to brag and it doesn't mean that
much in the scheme of things, but the fact is that again, your
impressions, your insights, are mistaken and you are talking about
something you obviously know nothing about.

Sounds like I probably score quite a bit higher than you, Rich. I'm not kidding.


Al right then, certainly possible, but then you must concede that you
were wrong when you accused me of being dumb and not being intelligent.
Unless you think that's an accurate description of someone who is
merely in the top 2 percentile. I don't claim to be any smarter than I
am, but I know I'm pretty damn smart.

I am not stupid, not
dumb, I happen to be quite intelligent, anybody who knows me or works
with me knows it, and I just don't take well to being spoken down to
and insulted....it's only human.

Your intelligence has nothing to do with your obnoxiousness. If you were a
little smarter you'd be able to figure that out.


YOu said I should feel dumb. That was a comment about my intelligence,
not about obnoxiousness. You were mistaken as well as gratuitously and
inaccurately insulting. You are bright but in this case you were wrong
and way off-base. Will you grant me this, apologizing would be
appropriate, but I don't expect that kind of humility or courtesy, and
we can move on.

You're wrong, okay? If you think
you're so much more intelligent than me, how about a game of Scrabble

Oh, now There's a challenge!

or an in-person challenge over some kind of puzzle even more complex
than a simple childish letter-substitution cryptogram?

Everybody but you seems to know that it's the common usenet encryption used when
you want to give people an option of not reading something, known far and wide
as ROT13.


I knew what it was and without being in on the secret Usenet ROT13 club
(have been posting on usenet for close to ten years but I've just never
encountered that, sorry), I deciphered and cracked this brilliant
ingenious code on my own and read your message. You're right, I've
never heard of ROT13 but if that's supposed to keep people from
understanding messages, I guess obviously I'm way above the threshold
of people you figured would be locked out of getting your clever
hilarious joke. Unlike some people, I can just admit it when I don't
know something and have learned something new. At the same time, it
strikes me as ridiculously pretentious and precious to have a secret
special name for such a childish letter-substitution code and consider
oneself in some exclusive smartass club to know it, when again, a
reasonably bright pre-adolescent who's never heard of or used Usenet,
could solve the code, understand any message and be in the club in a
few minutes.

LIke I said, without already knowing the code or its
secret-insider-club name, I solved it thusly, while I was working on my
software development too, just scribbling on paper
and had this figured in 5 minutes or so, my notes are still he

Sorry it was far over your head and you couldn't learn anything
from it. I'd
Fbeel vg jnf sne bire lbhe urnq naq lbh pbhyqa'g yrnea nalguvat
sebz vg. V'q

like to report it in a way you might be able to grasp it but
until the
yvxr gb ercbfg vg va n jnl lbh zvtug or noyr gb tenfc vg, ohg
hagvy gur

technology improves I won't be able to post in Usenet with crayons.
grpuabybtl vzcebirf, V jba'g or noyr gb cbfg gb hfrarg jvgu penlbaf

....or course your oh-so-clever message is a little grammatically
wanting in the phrase "in a way you might be able to grasp it," but no,
this didn't sail over my head as you predicted, it wasn't beyond my
meager grasp, it didn't leave everyone laughing behind my back.

You didn't
answer any of my questions. If you're so much more intelligent than I,
just tell me your IQ and SAT's and whether you've tested into Mensa.
Strictly honors system, I'll believe you.

It was a long time ago, but my SAT's were 740/780

That's outstanding, indeed, higher than mine (somewhat, not
necessarily "quite a bit" in your words), which was 760 math / 630
english, that was about 28 or 29 years ago for me. Pretty clearly I
think you can fairly conclude that I'm not stupid, not dumb, am
intelligent, am VERY intelligent, smart enough to keep up with you or
pretty much anybody around this newsgroup. SO when you said to me,
"You should feel dumb, now and always," which started this whole
exchange, you were dead wrong, can you admit it or not?


**** you anyway. I have no
problem making friends in any environment in life or online except
sometimes here in rec.boats.cruising; "belligerent" is about the last
thing in the world that anybody who knows me in real life would be able
to say about me - I guess some of you guys just bring out the best in
me with your charming friendly attitudes.

Uh, Rich... This is usenet, not real life.

Correct, and it is the point I was making.

You are known here as a ****wit with
a PWC.


Who cares what a bunch of guys who don't know me, have never met me,
know nothing about me, and are so shallow-minded and intolerant as to
jump to all kinds of false conclusions about me at the very onset of
the conversation, based solely on the size and shape of my boat's hull,
think about me.


So why did you do the cryptogram in the first place, "Mys"? Wasn't it
to show how smart you are, or how dumb I was when I was unable to
decipher you brilliantly encrypted and razor-sharp witticism?


Hardly. It was a courtesy.


Guess you'll have to use a stronger encryption algorithm next time.
But I do appreciate the effort to protect me from that again, stinging,
incredibly witty "crayons" remark. Hilarious! The protection was
unnecessary, the remark didn't wound me too much, but I'm glad I was
able to decode it, or I would have missed out on that belly-laugh.
You're like another Mark Twain or Woody Allen - the wit and delicious
irony in the line, "posting with crayons," I'm still cracking up inside
from that as I'm sure we all are.

Have you ever heard the
expression, "you just jumped the shark"?

Well, that's not quite the expression you mean, but sure, it usually
refers to when a tv series is no longer any good in the speaker's
opinion, or maybe when a rock band stops being cool and puts out their
first lame album.


Not exactly, but it was the absolutely correct term for you.

Whatever you say. At this point I'd be happy with you just ceasing and
taking back the many personal attacks and insults directed towards me.
Maybe you think I"m obnoxious, bothersome to you or whatever for
talking about pwc's in a boating group, but I'm definitely not stupid,
not dumb, I am bright, I am intelligent, I am clever, sorry to keep
saying it but I'm hoping you will acknowledge that you were wrong about
me in saying the opposite, that it was unfair and unfounded, and I'm
also a safe, educated, responsible, courteous, reasonably knowledgeable
(though always with tons more to learn) boater and member of the
boating community, and a fully positive representative of pwc's every
time I hit the water.

Good enough.

richforman