Danny wrote:
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TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97


Poopie:

Did the Tayana dealer prepare you for the 12-24 month wait for construction
on a new one? And the unbelievable cost to rig one once it's delivered? ( I
worked on a new 46 two years ago)

As far as capsizing: Unless you plan to start sailing soon, and then take
many lessons, practice on countless trips for a few years and learn to
master each and every one of the mechanical systems aboard before rounding
one of the Capes, you'll face far worse and more probable problems than
capsizing.

And, as your best friend, I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for the George
Forman grill upgrade today on this baby. Burgers and beers in the tropics!
Yum!

Fair Winds and calm sea,

Whimpie


You guys make it all sound so difficult. Buy one Popeye. Your new
sailing friends will be coming out of the woodwork.

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Danny wrote:
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TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97


Poopie:

Did the Tayana dealer prepare you for the 12-24 month wait for
construction on a new one? And the unbelievable cost to rig one once it's
delivered? ( I worked on a new 46 two years ago)

As far as capsizing: Unless you plan to start sailing soon, and then take
many lessons, practice on countless trips for a few years and learn to
master each and every one of the mechanical systems aboard before
rounding one of the Capes, you'll face far worse and more probable
problems than capsizing.

And, as your best friend, I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for the
George Forman grill upgrade today on this baby. Burgers and beers in the
tropics! Yum!

Fair Winds and calm sea,

Whimpie
You guys make it all sound so difficult. Buy one Popeye. Your new
sailing friends will be coming out of the woodwork.

Sounds like naiveté speaking. Sail any distance and you'll feel the same way
as my last response. I only have 20,000 miles under my keel but I tell you
that I'm not overstating the concern. This guy, if he's half serious,
doesn't know enough to pull a dingy off the dock. These are newbie questions
that belie a total lack of essential knowledge. First and foremost, he asks
total strangers for advice! At least join a sailing club and ask guys you
know!

Crossing an ocean IS difficult. But then this is all a fools wag. Poopie is
a mere troll stirring up discussion for amusement.

Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard

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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am perilously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard

Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in Portland,
Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky shore make the
case for your steel hull.
Danny

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Danny,

Unfortunatly I am periously close to Poopie (love the spelling.) Last
year I bought a bunch of land in Nova Scotia, a 20 year old 33' custom
steel cutter, and moved one to the other. Never sailed before but lots
of time on stink pots. Anyway I got there, after about a week. A
little over 400 miles, on the chart.

I think you are right that he is trolling for amusement. But it IS
amusing. Not only his posts but the dead serious answers intermixed
with the others who have "outed" him.

And, you gotta admit, he must have the hide of a rhino. Or is it
brain. Either way, for now he does make me laugh, if only at myself.

Howard

Howard:

You and I are tracking. It is indeed amusing and the answers have been
informative. It's a good group.

How's the sailing in NS in the winter? My brother in-law lives in Portland,
Maine. The combination of the ridiculous fog and the rocky shore make the
case for your steel hull.
Danny

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"Danny" wrote:

First and foremost, he asks total strangers for advice!

By in large, the total strangers on this list are more knowledgeable
and honest than his friends at the dock -- because many of us aren't AT
the dock.

Most if the times I hear our dock gurus speak, I snicker.

Yes, there is a wide range of opinions and that's a good thing. There's
rarely one right answer, only a continuum of trade-offs.

Yes, there are some on the list that should be ignored, but they're
easily discovered to be the ones who flame rather than debate.


--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

"Danny" wrote:
Did the Tayana dealer prepare you for the 12-24 month wait for construction
on a new one? And the unbelievable cost to rig one once it's delivered? ( I
worked on a new 46 two years ago)

As far as capsizing: Unless you plan to start sailing soon, and then take
many lessons, practice on countless trips for a few years and learn to
master each and every one of the mechanical systems aboard before rounding
one of the Capes, you'll face far worse and more probable problems than
capsizing.

And, as your best friend, I would gladly pay you on Tuesday for the George
Forman grill upgrade today on this baby. Burgers and beers in the tropics!
Yum!

Fair Winds and calm sea,
Whimpie

Thanks Whimpie

The boat is almost done and I've already seen several pictures taken at
the factory. Both the dealer and the Tayana engineer I talked to told me
that it's just going to take about 2 more months.

I can ask the dealer if the rigging cost is included in the selling price.

I don't plan on crossing any ocean until 2007 or later :-)

Does it matter? Are you actually planning on sailing out of the bay or
river you live on? Most yacht owners day sail or spend a week in sheltered
bays and never put to sea. My guess is you will be doing the same. All that
is left is Rhetoric.

DP
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TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97

Apparently you haven't been following. This guy has bought Thailand and is
in no hurry to get there.
"d parker" wrote in message
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Does it matter? Are you actually planning on sailing out of the bay or
river you live on? Most yacht owners day sail or spend a week in sheltered
bays and never put to sea. My guess is you will be doing the same. All
that
is left is Rhetoric.

DP
wrote in message
k.net...

TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97

Hmmm... ok.. yeh. i have to admit. I have left a lot this guys posts alone
as there seems to be a Trolling warning on every post he makes.

DP
"MMC" wrote in message
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Apparently you haven't been following. This guy has bought Thailand and is
in no hurry to get there.
"d parker" wrote in message
...
Does it matter? Are you actually planning on sailing out of the bay or
river you live on? Most yacht owners day sail or spend a week in
sheltered
bays and never put to sea. My guess is you will be doing the same. All
that
is left is Rhetoric.

DP
wrote in message
k.net...

TAYANA VANCOUVER 460 PILOT
Angle of vanishing stability = 110 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.24
Capsize screening ratio = 1.57

BENETEAU 473
Angle of vanishing stability = 119 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.34
Capsize screening ratio = 1.96

CATALINA 42 MARK II
Angle of vanishing stability = 105 degrees
Ballast/displacement = 0.39
Capsize screening ratio = 1.97