"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.


What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K


And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Bill McKee wrote:
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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail
provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its
specifically mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must
be used for propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for
ballast makes it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat
that otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a
powerboat? Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.

Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
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Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.
Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.
Bzzt: You are wrong. And its pretty clear you're a dangerous jackass
who doesn't belong on the water. Anyone who claims its common and
proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.

Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the marina.

--
Larry

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Which questions are those? How about you go first. And, which sailboat
with an engine running? I think you're starting to rant.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.



A sailboat has right of way sometimes because he is sailing and
sometimes that impairs his ability to adjust his course and speed as is
required of power driven vessels. Don't think of a 30 foot sloop, think
of a 150' square rigger. When the rules were written they weren't
written with smal pleasure boats in mind, they were written with ships
in mind. When you are paddling your power boat you do have some
privileges over some other boats. If a 25 knot power boat over takes
you he has to keep clear. (More than 15 feet unless the channel is 30
feet wide, then he should slow to less than 25 knots)
The important thing is behave in a seamanlike manner.

Gary

Bill McKee wrote:
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And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

And where do the ColRegs assign any "rights" to a vessel being
paddled? Are you one of those who think kayaks have some special
rights over other boats?

(And yes, I know that a number of states do give this privilege to
human powered vessels in waters not covered by the ColRegs and Inland
Rules.)