In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Bill,

If there was an accident and you were doing 25 mph within 15 ft. of another
boat, in a narrow channel, even if the other boat changed direction on a
whim, you would most likely be found partially responsibility for the
accident.
Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim.
You do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You
change lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

More than partially. Significantly. You see, he doesn't give a crap
about the effect his 40-foot boat has on anyone else. Wake be damned.

This is the sort of person who institutionalizes giving powerboaters a
bad name.
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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Now what the heck do you fnd so wrong with my attitude? What have I
done or said to hurt or insult you? (Okay, maybe I called you an
asshole somewhere along the line, but I was kind of provoked!)....
aside from that all I've been doing is defending myself and a huge
number of others, and trying to inform you of some things you obviously
don't know. Seriously - how am I out of line exactly? Have I spoken
arrogantly? Just by TALKING about pwc's and trying to explain why
they and their riders are not so bad? Just that in itself ****es you
off and makes you dislike me more? Seems like I can't win.

If someone insulted or dismissed some group you were proud to be a part
of, and made claims you felt you were unfair about you and dozens or
hundreds of your friends, and you tried to defend yourself and provide
them with a little extra knowledge and information that they obviously
didn't know ....and their response was just to hurl more insults, to
the effect, "well you're just continuing to show why I hate you and
don't want you around with that attitude"....how would that make you
feel, "j" ganz.

Anyway, your response just illustrates again that you're dug in and
completely refuse to reconsider your hardened preconceived notions no
matter how much new information is presented to you.

Jetski's don't suck. Like I explained in specific detail, there are an
awful lot of good things about them at the very least - clean-running,
quiet, fuel-efficient, affordable, exhilirating, fun, versatile, and a
great way to enjoy the water with family and friends for those of us
who maybe can't afford to own and run a bigger power-boat.....guess I"m
just trying to get you to admit that on consideration maybe they don't
suck so much. Lots of your fellow boaters who have bigger boats and
sailboats too, have pwc's as well. So are those people annoying jerks
when riding their pwc's but fine seamen when sailing? It's not
logical.

Really, I"m rereading my very last post above that you respond to and
say I'm a prime example of pwc owners' bad attitude, and can't find
anything wrong in my post to provoke your response.. It's not
aggressive or boastful or insulting in tune, on the contrary, it reads
as pretty reasonable, measured, and everything it says is pretty true
and fair. Do I come off as a speed-loving macho inconsiderate careless
jerk like you say you find pwc owners to be? Can't you tell from my
relating my experiences and feelings that I'm a boater with a lot in
common with you?

And the fact that you keep stubbornly and nastily insisting that they
just suck says a lot more about your "attitude" than mine.

Thanks for the chat, I guess, sorry to have annoyed you so.

richforman

wrote in message
ups.com...
Now what the heck do you fnd so wrong with my attitude? What have I
done or said to hurt or insult you? (Okay, maybe I called you an
asshole somewhere along the line, but I was kind of provoked!)....

Oh, you were provoked! Got it!

aside from that all I've been doing is defending myself and a huge
number of others, and trying to inform you of some things you obviously
don't know. Seriously - how am I out of line exactly? Have I spoken
arrogantly? Just by TALKING about pwc's and trying to explain why
they and their riders are not so bad? Just that in itself ****es you
off and makes you dislike me more? Seems like I can't win.

You're claiming that there isn't much of a problem with PWCs and their
riders, when there is quite a large problem. Not ****ed off at all. Amused
perhaps is better word. You're trying to defend the indefensible by claiming
that the new ones aren't so bad.

If someone insulted or dismissed some group you were proud to be a part
of, and made claims you felt you were unfair about you and dozens or
hundreds of your friends, and you tried to defend yourself and provide
them with a little extra knowledge and information that they obviously
didn't know ....and their response was just to hurl more insults, to
the effect, "well you're just continuing to show why I hate you and
don't want you around with that attitude"....how would that make you
feel, "j" ganz.

If you have a rational, well-thought out argument in favor of opening up all
places to PWCs, go for. Make your case. Between now and then, I will
continue to look upon the PWC crowd with suspicion based on my experience
and those of my fellow sailors.

Anyway, your response just illustrates again that you're dug in and
completely refuse to reconsider your hardened preconceived notions no
matter how much new information is presented to you.

Observable facts on the water. Happy to reconsider, but no good reason at
this point.

Jetski's don't suck. Like I explained in specific detail, there are an
awful lot of good things about them at the very least - clean-running,

Gawd... NEW ONES MAYBE

Really, I"m rereading my very last post above that you respond to and

Well, I'm sorry, but I just don't remember which post you're referring to...

and fair. Do I come off as a speed-loving macho inconsiderate careless
jerk like you say you find pwc owners to be? Can't you tell from my
relating my experiences and feelings that I'm a boater with a lot in
common with you?

Well, yeah, actually you do. I'm sure you and do have a lot in common, but
you're defending a machine and more importantly an attitude by continually
claiming that the problem is basically fixed. It isn't.

And the fact that you keep stubbornly and nastily insisting that they
just suck says a lot more about your "attitude" than mine.

I guess I'm just the stubborn kind.

Thanks for the chat, I guess, sorry to have annoyed you so.

I think I should apologize. I've clearly annoyed you. You don't annoy me at
all, unless you're typing while buzzing the harbor on your jet-ski.

Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)

wrote

We seem to be talking past each other on this point: you keep
bringing
up sailboats
and I keep saying I"m talking about pwc's and other power
boats. In
fact I've already
conceded that sail boaters probably cause fewer problems and in
general
behave better.
I'm making the point that pwc's and their operators are not
very
different from any other kind of POWER BOATS.

I agree with rich, ALL power boats should be banned.

SBV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Boy, this guy sure is humorless... kinda funny actually.


I wonder if he'd see the humour in this?

http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWir...Repellent.html

SBV

Well, we have to start somewhere...

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
wrote

We seem to be talking past each other on this point: you keep
bringing
up sailboats
and I keep saying I"m talking about pwc's and other power
boats. In
fact I've already
conceded that sail boaters probably cause fewer problems and in
general
behave better.
I'm making the point that pwc's and their operators are not
very
different from any other kind of POWER BOATS.

I agree with rich, ALL power boats should be banned.

SBV

"Bill McKee" wrote


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors
daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the
right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree
in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and
then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and
when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.


Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV

That's not his address and phone number, it's mine.
Capt' Joe is an asshole.
And has been reported.


SBV


"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com
wrote in message news
Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include
your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.


"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On 2 Nov 2005 16:47:08 -0800, lid (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

In article
. net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly
you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument
on the
merits.

Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to
name calling
when it
suited his own purposes.


Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118

"Bill McKee" wrote

I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

No, you should hand the paddle over to your Mom and bend over.

SV