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Peggie Hall wrote:
I really did think you planned to do that. I have NEVER had or REMOTELY EXPRESSED that intention. The truth is I have NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to own ANY business in the Keys. The Cost of Living has crippled the local workforce. I shun the concept of being an employer in the Keys, been there done that. There's certainly nothing wrong with running a mobile pumpout service...they can be very profitable in heavily populated ND waters. Agree with nothing wrong with running mobile pumpout service. I don't think the Keys fit the definition of heavily populated to that extent: AFAIK (As Far As I Know) there are two pumpout boats in the Keys, one in Key West and one in Marathon, both are run by municipalities. Its been a more than a year probably closer to two or three since my last conversation with one of the city marina managers on pumpout issues. The complaint then, was yes; the Grant money helps pay for the _equipment_. (The City owns its own marina but a private individual would also be burdened with slip rent) . In the revenue vs expense arena the expense of staffing the pumpout vessel, Even ONE fulltime operator working 40 hrs exceeds the revenue. It was the marina managers assertion that Grants should be available to help STAFF the service! On Municiple Sewage Dumping, Letter to the Editor, from todays Key West Citizen: --------------------------------------------------- New law would protect clean water In a time when so many of our environmental protections are being weakened, your readers should know that some of their leaders in Washington are standing up for clean water in Florida. The Bush administration in Washington has a plan to allow publicly-owned sewage treatment plants to dump untreated sewage in our waters anytime it rains, which would be disastrous for tourism, fishing, and public health. Congressional Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen took a stand against this backward-thinking idea, and The Clean Water Network would like to thank her and ask others to do the same. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen joined 134 other members of Congress, including 17 other Florida Congressional Representatives, and Florida Senators Bill Nelson and Mel Martinez, in signing a letter to the Environmental Protection Agency opposing this policy. We applaud her leadership in protecting public health, our economy and our waters. Now congressional leader Rep. Clay Shaw from Ft. Lauderdale has introduced the "Save Our Waters from Sewage Act," to try to stop EPA from moving forward with its sewage dumping policy. Please take time to thank Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and encourage her to co-sponsor this important legislation. Linda L. Young Southeast Regional Director Clean Water Network Tallahassee ------------------------------------------------------------------- source of above: http://www.keysnews.com/letterstoeditor.bsp.htm and last, but not least ! my concerns on the Keys NDZ side with some of the other posters who expressed concern about nutrient loading issues. As boaters we should be the First Line of Defense in trying to Sustain clean waters. When we fail to control nutrient damage: One Coral Researchers view on the front page of this weeks Solaries Hill: http://www.keysnews.com/weeklys/solareshill.pdf -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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"captkeywest" wrote in message oups.com... Peggie Hall wrote: I really did think you planned to do that. I have NEVER had or REMOTELY EXPRESSED that intention. The truth is I have NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to own ANY business in the Keys. The Cost of Living has crippled the local workforce. I shun the concept of being an employer in the Keys, been there done that. There's certainly nothing wrong with running a mobile pumpout service...they can be very profitable in heavily populated ND waters. Agree with nothing wrong with running mobile pumpout service. I don't think the Keys fit the definition of heavily populated to that extent: AFAIK (As Far As I Know) there are two pumpout boats in the Keys, one in Key West and one in Marathon, both are run by municipalities. Its been a more than a year probably closer to two or three since my last conversation with one of the city marina managers on pumpout issues. The complaint then, was yes; the Grant money helps pay for the _equipment_. (The City owns its own marina but a private individual would also be burdened with slip rent) . In the revenue vs expense arena the expense of staffing the pumpout vessel, Even ONE fulltime operator working 40 hrs exceeds the revenue. It was the marina managers assertion that Grants should be available to help STAFF the service! snipped some Good to see somebody else pointing out how clueless Peggie Hall is. She's been too long sitting on her ass satisfied with mother-henning all the mindless drones here who worship her outdated understanding of clean water in places other than her pathetic little lake. A tip of the full-to-the-brim cedar bucket to ya! CN |
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Capt. Neal® wrote:
Good to see somebody else pointing out DO NOT FEED THE TROLL |
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This discussion has set me thinking about what is the final products of the LectraSan. If it does electrolysis of sodium chloride, there is bound to be production of sodium hypochlorite which creates environmental problems of it own (when used for bleacing paper, for example). When sodium hypchlorite reacts with organic matter, some toxic organochlorines are formed. Does anyone know if this potential problem has been investigated? -- C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade. |
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Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote:
This discussion has set me thinking about what is the final products of the LectraSan. If it does electrolysis of sodium chloride... It does not. The Lectra/San creates hypochlorous acid by charging the ions in salt water with electrical current. It's a very unstable solution...it's hypochlorous acid as long as current is being applied...but when the stimulus (electrical current) is removed it reverts to salt water, leaving no free chlorines in the discharge. Does anyone know if this potential problem has been investigated? Extensively...your concerns are unfounded. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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Strange. By their own words, they definitely do elctrolysis of sodium
chloride (snipped from raritan web site): The process starts with salt water in the treatment tank. NaCl -- Na+ + Cl- Sodium Chloride is a strong electrolyte so it exists in water as sodium and chloride ions. H2O -- H+ + OH- Through hydrolysis, water breaks into hydrogen ions and hydroxyl ions. The electrode pack is energized during the treatment cycle and electricity passes through the conductive salt water. Hypochlorous acid, a powerful bactericide and oxidizing agent, is produced on the surface of the plates. At the Anode: 2Cl- + OH- + H+ -- HCl + HOCl + 2e- Hydrochloric acid and hypochlorous acid are produced, liberating two electrons. At the Cathode: 2e- + 2 H+ + 2Na+ + 2OH- -- 2 NaOH + H2 The two electrons, hydrogen ions, sodium ions and hydroxyl ions combine to produce sodium hydroxide and some hydrogen. The Net Reaction is: 2Cl- + 3OH- + 3H+ + 2Na+ -- HCl + HOCl + 2NaOH + H2 With constant mixing from both motors, the products are mixed together for continued reactions. NaOCl + H2O -- NaOH + HOCl Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is formed when sodium hypochlorite reacts with water. HOCl + XXXX -- HCl + XXXXOx Hypochlorous acid reacts with soil, dirt, and bacteria giving up its oxygen; leaving hydrochloric acid. HCl + NaOH -- H2O + NaCl The hydrochloric acid reacts with the sodium hydroxide to form salt and water. The usual explanation of reactions in a sodium chloride cell is this, and I wonder how they make the reactions above happen instead of the ones below. Sodium hypochlorite/chlorate manufacturing process: Electrochemical and chemical reactions occurring in cells [1] 2Cl- == Cl2 + 2e- (anodic reaction) [7] 2H2O + 2e- == 2OH- + H2 (cathodic reaction) [8] Cl2 + 2OH- == OCl- + Cl- + H2O (hypochlorite formation) [9] 3OCl- == ClO3- + 2Cl- (chlorate formation) [12] NaCl + H2O == NaOCl + H2 (overall hypochlorite reaction) [13] NaCl + 3H2O == NaClO3 + 3H2 (overall chlorate reaction) [14] 3Cl2 + 6NaOH == NaClO3 + 5NaCl + 3H2O (chemical chlorate formation) -- C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade. |
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Here is another view on the system (from a competitor, it seems :-)
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...chlorine&hl=nl "PH" == Peggie Hall writes: PH Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote: This discussion has set me thinking about what is the final products of the LectraSan. If it does electrolysis of sodium chloride... PH It does not. The Lectra/San creates hypochlorous acid by charging the PH ions in salt water with electrical current. It's a very unstable PH solution...it's hypochlorous acid as long as current is being PH applied...but when the stimulus (electrical current) is removed it PH reverts to salt water, leaving no free chlorines in the discharge. Does anyone know if this potential problem has been investigated? PH Extensively...your concerns are unfounded. PH -- PH Peggie PH ---------- PH Peggie Hall PH Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 PH Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems PH and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" PH http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 -- C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade. |
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Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote:
Here is another view on the system (from a competitor, it seems :-) http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...chlorine&hl=nl A former competitor whose Type I MSD--the SeaLand SanX, which requires the use of a formaldehyde based chemical, and barely treats to legal standards was finally discontinued a couple of years ago. It's not just the Lectra/San he lobbies against...it's the use of ANY treatment device. Because the SeaLand device is the most environmentally UNfriendly any Type I treatment device could be, he became a committed advocate of universal "no discharge" in an effort defeat pending new legislation that would have reduced the allowable bacteria count in the discharge from treatment devices from it's current level of 1,000/100 ml to 10/100 ml (which the SeaLand device could not come close to meeting, but the Lectra/San does) and allowed the discharge of treated waste from devices that met the new standard in all coastal waters including those designated "no discharge." McKiernan was determined to defeat it rather than risk losing sales of holding tanks to competitors' treatment devices. I suggest you also read this: http://www.raritaneng.com/pdf_files/...20Response.pdf -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1 |
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