Are you sure your engine is set up for hand starting?

Yes, I saw the crank. It's the raw water cooled version. I have the
service manual and it shows a hand crank setup for the fresh water
version as well.

I hear from another source that it's a rather athletic undertaking and
a second person to close the compression release is a necessity.

Also heard from another owner of the same boat who has run it exactly
the way I describe for 17 years without a problem. I think I'll just
leave the battery switch on boat all the time.

--

Roger Long

Are you sure your engine is set up for hand starting?


Roger Long wrote:
Yes, I saw the crank. It's the raw water cooled version. I have the
service manual and it shows a hand crank setup for the fresh water
version as well.


What the manual shows may not match what's on the boat. I've had a boat
with a hand-startable diesel (a one-cylinder Volvo) that had various
bits of the cabin in the way of the hand crank.

I hear from another source that it's a rather athletic undertaking and
a second person to close the compression release is a necessity.


The only times I've ever successfully hand-started a diesel, it was
necessary to manipulate the compression release.

Also heard from another owner of the same boat who has run it exactly
the way I describe for 17 years without a problem. I think I'll just
leave the battery switch on boat all the time.


You might want to visit him on his boat and get a demo.

Another option
http://www.springstarter.com/

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Another option
http://www.springstarter.com/

Hey, that is very, very cool.

BTW it's a used boat. I inspected it personally and tried the crank
in position. One of the first things I'm going to do is try and start
it. I'll let you know how it goes.

--

Roger Long

Roger Long wrote:
Another option
http://www.springstarter.com/


Hey, that is very, very cool.

BTW it's a used boat. I inspected it personally and tried the crank
in position. One of the first things I'm going to do is try and start
it. I'll let you know how it goes.


If you inboard is hand crank equipped like mine was on a previous boat,
you REALLY don't need to hand crank it when the battery runs down.

I killed my battery at anchor a few times (thank you Espar!).

No problem. As long as you have two people aboard:

1 person lifts the decompression lever, which makes the engine turn over
fairly easily.

The second person pushes the start switch and once the engine is moving
and the flywheel is doing it's job, just drop the decompression lever
and she'll start like a charm.

Hand cranking was never required and I killed the battery sufficiently
that the lights were dim. I left the Espar running all night in cold
fall weather.

"Marley" wrote in message
.. .
Roger Long wrote:
Another option
http://www.springstarter.com/


Hey, that is very, very cool.

BTW it's a used boat. I inspected it personally and tried the crank in
position. One of the first things I'm going to do is try and start it.
I'll let you know how it goes.


If you inboard is hand crank equipped like mine was on a previous boat,
you REALLY don't need to hand crank it when the battery runs down.

I killed my battery at anchor a few times (thank you Espar!).

You should thank yourself. The ESPAR had your permission to run

No problem. As long as you have two people aboard:

Depends upon the engine. Both of my previous Yanmars could be
crank started by one person.

1 person lifts the decompression lever, which makes the engine turn over
fairly easily.

The second person pushes the start switch and once the engine is moving
and the flywheel is doing it's job, just drop the decompression lever and
she'll start like a charm.

What does the start switch have to do with it?

Hand cranking was never required and I killed the battery sufficiently
that the lights were dim. I left the Espar running all night in cold fall
weather.

With the decompression levers engaged, it doesn;t take much to get the
engine spinning enough to start.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:40:18 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote:


"Marley" wrote in message
. ..
Roger Long wrote:
Another option
http://www.springstarter.com/


Hey, that is very, very cool.

BTW it's a used boat. I inspected it personally and tried the crank in
position. One of the first things I'm going to do is try and start it.
I'll let you know how it goes.


If you inboard is hand crank equipped like mine was on a previous boat,
you REALLY don't need to hand crank it when the battery runs down.

I killed my battery at anchor a few times (thank you Espar!).

You should thank yourself. The ESPAR had your permission to run

No problem. As long as you have two people aboard:

Depends upon the engine. Both of my previous Yanmars could be
crank started by one person.

1 person lifts the decompression lever, which makes the engine turn over
fairly easily.

The second person pushes the start switch and once the engine is moving
and the flywheel is doing it's job, just drop the decompression lever and
she'll start like a charm.

What does the start switch have to do with it?

Hand cranking was never required and I killed the battery sufficiently
that the lights were dim. I left the Espar running all night in cold fall
weather.

With the decompression levers engaged, it doesn;t take much to get the
engine spinning enough to start.

That is really interesting. I wonder why it was so hard on the one I
had. Maybe something to do with why it blew up. It is academic now.
The new on has no place for a crank.

I never had any trouble cranking an Atomic 4, but that is very
different from a diesel.


Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Doug Dotson wrote:
"Marley" wrote in message
.. .

Roger Long wrote:

Another option
http://www.springstarter.com/


Hey, that is very, very cool.

BTW it's a used boat. I inspected it personally and tried the crank in
position. One of the first things I'm going to do is try and start it.
I'll let you know how it goes.


If you inboard is hand crank equipped like mine was on a previous boat,
you REALLY don't need to hand crank it when the battery runs down.

I killed my battery at anchor a few times (thank you Espar!).


You should thank yourself. The ESPAR had your permission to run


No problem. As long as you have two people aboard:


Depends upon the engine. Both of my previous Yanmars could be
crank started by one person.


1 person lifts the decompression lever, which makes the engine turn over
fairly easily.

The second person pushes the start switch and once the engine is moving
and the flywheel is doing it's job, just drop the decompression lever and
she'll start like a charm.


What does the start switch have to do with it?


Hand cranking was never required and I killed the battery sufficiently
that the lights were dim. I left the Espar running all night in cold fall
weather.


With the decompression levers engaged, it doesn;t take much to get the
engine spinning enough to start.



Doug

You REALLY need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Seriously!
M

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:14:56 -0500, Marley wrote:


If you inboard is hand crank equipped like mine was on a previous boat,
you REALLY don't need to hand crank it when the battery runs down.

I killed my battery at anchor a few times (thank you Espar!).

No problem. As long as you have two people aboard:

1 person lifts the decompression lever, which makes the engine turn over
fairly easily.

The second person pushes the start switch and once the engine is moving
and the flywheel is doing it's job, just drop the decompression lever
and she'll start like a charm.

Since I normally single-hand, on a previous boat I installed a starter
button in the engine compartment specifically for this reason - if the
battery was too low to crank against the engine compression, I could
open the engine room, lift the decompression lever, then press the
handy start button - with luck, the weak battery would then be able to
crank the engine, and once it was turning fast, I would drop the
decompression lever, and the engine would (hopefully) start.

--
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:47:34 -0800, Peter Bennett
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:14:56 -0500, Marley wrote:


If you inboard is hand crank equipped like mine was on a previous boat,
you REALLY don't need to hand crank it when the battery runs down.

I killed my battery at anchor a few times (thank you Espar!).

No problem. As long as you have two people aboard:

1 person lifts the decompression lever, which makes the engine turn over
fairly easily.

The second person pushes the start switch and once the engine is moving
and the flywheel is doing it's job, just drop the decompression lever
and she'll start like a charm.

Since I normally single-hand, on a previous boat I installed a starter
button in the engine compartment specifically for this reason - if the
battery was too low to crank against the engine compression, I could
open the engine room, lift the decompression lever, then press the
handy start button - with luck, the weak battery would then be able to
crank the engine, and once it was turning fast, I would drop the
decompression lever, and the engine would (hopefully) start.

For the same reason, I found (with a voltmeter) where the starter
button wires come to the relay that engages the starter. I have been
able to start with near-dead battery by crossing th econnection with a
screwdriver.

A button would be better if I were doing that all the time.

Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

"Hawg Polo?" . . . "Hawg Polo"

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
....

For the same reason, I found (with a voltmeter) where the starter
button wires come to the relay that engages the starter. I have been
able to start with near-dead battery by crossing th econnection with a
screwdriver.

A button would be better if I were doing that all the time.


Isn't this called an "ignition switch"? What you're saying is that
the wiring though the ignition switch is too small (or corroded, etc.)
and is causing a voltage drop.

BTW, I played that game hundreds of times with my old VW bug.
However, a few years back a friend was working under his car and
shorted the solenoid. Since it was in gear, the car lurched and fell
off the jackstands, crushing his hip. A big Ooops!