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While choking on an orange the asphixiatingly tight latex collar began to
take effect as *Meindert Sprang* gapsed to *uk.rec.sailing* with a dying
breath:

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
message ...
I disagree - most of his questions have been remarkably stupid. But that
doesn't mean we have to ignore them. Feel free to if *you* want to, but
it doesn't hurt anyone to reply to these questions even if they are
stupid.

C'mon guys, didn't everyone have the same questions when he or she started
thinking about sailing? The OP just had the courage to actually *ask*
them.....

Meindert

Ermm.. no... The questions I had when I first started sailing, were more
focused on the process of learning to sail, not some pie in the sky fantasy
of sailing single handed accross the globe over the forthcoming summer
hols...[1]

PG

[1] Although that does appeal some what [2]
[2] But I'm certain I'd either not survive[3], or wind up going the 'Long
Way Round'
[3] So I'll stick to the coastal stuff for a couple more years.

--
Keelworm:
*www.love2sail.co.uk - UK Sailing Forums*

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:49:37 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

However, if I see a real beautiful machine, like that Hackercraft classic I
couldn't stop running my fingers over, I'm an exceptionally nice and
enthousiastic supporter. God they are beautiful.

============

Oh yes, they really are. I was fortunate enough to get a ride in a
triple cockpit Hacker reproduction last summer on the St Lawrence
River (Antique Boat Museum in Clayton, NY). Both the museum and the
boat ride were a wonderful experience which I would recommend to
anyone.

Larry W4CSC wrote:
....snip...
Two boat shows ago, I took a friend who used to own a Hatteras 56 to
the
local boatshow. I told him to please dress in the same clothes he
mows his
lawn in, instead of that doctor's suit from Brooks Brothers that
would be
SURE to attract the drooling sales wienies to trail us around and
ruin the
show. He agreed.
Three dealers wouldn't let us look in their boats. Most of the
others,
seeing our jeans and T-shirts, just ignored us as rabble.
....snip...

Oh, yeah, I can relate to that! Before the late 80's, I'd cruise boat
shows or car dealers in my raggedy-ass jeans and a T-shirt, along with
my long hair and beard, often closely followed by security guys but
ignored by sales droids. And don't even ask about shopping for
airplanes! But by the late 80's, Seattle area dealers of all sorts
wised up to the fact that all the nouveau multi-millionaires from
Microsoft looked more like panhadlers than CPAs and were more likely to
plonk down a load of cash than most suit-and-tie drones.

Nowadays, you almost see a kind of reverse snobbery locally. The
dealers/salesmen tend to zero in on counter-culture looking customers
and ignore the country club set. Amusing.

If you live long enough...

Frank (Actually, I like the Japanese version of that saying: "If you
sit by the river long enough, you'll see the bodies of your enemies
float by.")

I used to work a a local Harley Davidson dealership, a couple of locally
famous brothers who owned a furniture store (and advertised on TV alot)
bought bikes and were customers.
One day one of the brothers was in the store with some of his friends and a
bum kept going over to them and from my possition at the counter it almost
looked like he was trying to panhandle in the store (they were dressed in
suits).
I went over to the bum to "see if I could help him" (run him off) and
luckly, before I started I realized that the "bum" was the other brother.
On a whim either of these guys could have dropped a sum that equaled my
yearly wages and not even thought about it.

I've never forgot that little lesson.

Eric

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:32:34 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Hi Larry,

[survey info snipped]

Makes no difference. You get there when you get there, if you get there at
all. You are at the total mercy of wind and waves and storm fronts and
your own incompetence.....

You have two problems. Single handed isn't really legal by international
law as you must "Maintain a Sharp Lookout" so you don't run into anything.
Around The World Alone races are simply overlooked because they move lots
of expensive products with the gunwale-to-gunwale advertising, so they get
away with it. NEVER SAIL TO SEA ALONE is good advise. I don't care if
you're a world class triathelon champion, the sea will wear your ass down
in no time at all and you'll think you just can't lift another arm or take
another turn on a winch, having given up hours ago because your arms feel
like lead and you can't keep your eyes open.....This is why we stand 2 hour
watches with the OTHER CREW MEMBERS who've been tossing and turning in
their almost sleep trying to get some sleep before it's their turn, again.

By day 6, noone talks to anyone any more. They're all too tired from being
thrown about, 24/7 for 6 days to talk. If it's calm and everyone gets to
rest, we don't GET ANYWHERE just sitting there with all the dirty laundry
flapping restlessly NOT pulling the boat through the water. If it's windy,
it's rough and sleep is hard, even though you're exhausted.

Now you put it like that, single-handedness is losing its appeal...

TIME......

Time does not exist on a sailboat, whether it's a big slug of a cruising
ketch or an ocean racer it takes 24 people to sail without flipping upside
down. If anyone aboard HAS to be there on Wednesday Night....DON'T TAKE
HIM ALONG! Everyone aboard must have nothing to do and no schedule for the
next 8 weeks, even though we're sailing from S England to Ireland
overnight. A sailboat is NOT A GOOD MODE OF TRANSPORT for modern people in
a HURRY. Never hurry anyplace....unless, of course, you're racing other
sailboats for the big trophy and braggin' rights. If you can't go, neither
can they so it evens it up.

RELAX and watch the waves....We'll get there when we get there.....

I guess that's one thing on my side. Time at least I have plenty of...

I see someone called you a troll. If you are, I've wasted 20 minutes. If
you're not, everyone on here wondered the same things back before they
could tell the main from the mizzen.

Thanks, Larry. I'm *not* trolling but there are some lame-brainers
here who accuse me of it every time I post something. Go figgur. It
makes a pleasant change to get some constructive advice,
notwithstanding much of it is deeply unattractive to here about.
Still, best to be fully-informed over the pros and cons in full of
what I may be letting myself in for, I guess.

Now, here's what you do. First, stow any idea about buying the Contessa,
no matter how smooth the sales delivery was. If you don't know any more
than you profess to, here, you need to CREW on a boat around England with a
knowledgeable owner, like I do. Every yachtsman at your local marina needs
a helping hand to fix his big monster, and an able hand to sail it.
BEFRIEND THEM....None has ever bitten me, at least not yet. Once you learn
the basics and they find out how nice a guy you are, not complaining and
being so helpful by fixing whatever you can fix, your demand quotient goes
WAY up. I'd rather crew on a boat I could never afford with a friendly
captain and his family, than buy the boat I can really afford that's too
small to go anywhere. I'm quite fortunate to be an electronics technician
(demand is high) with marine experience (US Navy) and a fair seaman who
doesn't like to drink the captain into the poorhouse. I'm his "Chief
Engineer". He calls me and wants a new water pump for the fresh water.
"I've left it in the V-berth. Do you think you could install it so we can
go sailing when I come down next Thursday?", he'll hint. Of course I can!
When do we leave?! My captain is "well off", he doesn't need more money.
He's was forever trying to give me money for working on his boat. "I don't
want your money, captain." (MUSIC TO THEIR EARS!) "Well, what do you
want?", he asked me. "Simply take me with you.", was my answer. I've been
going ever since....standing my watches, fixing and installing all the
toys, rewiring what needs rewiring. Last week we moved from our old marina
that's been bought out by some condo shysters to the City Marina which has
free cable TV. So, I had to install a new LCD TV and wire the boat for
cable TV. Now, the neighbor's wife, friends who moved en masse with us to
the new marina to maintain the little community of dock family, has me
scheduled to wire HER boat with cable TV, as soon as she's got the new LCD
TV out of hubby...(c;

Can you:
** Fix diesel engines...or at least troubleshoot one for simple problems?
Change filters? Do dirty things to it? YOU'RE IN!

Yup, I'm pretty good at that kind of stuff, fortunately.

** Wire electrical DC and AC toys up in the boat? YOU'RE IN!

Yep, I'm into radio & electronics like you and a G4 (the *proper* UK
ham licence) so electrics & comms are no problem either.

** Fix fresh water pumps, water heaters, simple plumbing, repair and
refinish wood, fix mechanical things as simple as a pulley on a pin?
YOU'RE IN!

Yeah, I can handle that. Must remember to mention these things to any
prospective cap'n. :-)

You can learn to sail and have a helluva great time while you're doing
it....in exchange for a little labor, your personal expertise and make a
friend for life in the process. Do that before buying anything or just
going blindly into the Contessa with no experience. Hell, if you're lucky,
you'll be on some 55' cruiser headed for the Windward Islands at virtually
no expense to you. My last month-long Florida vacation cost me $90...(c;

Oh, by the way, the adrenaline rush of a big ketch 200 miles offshore with
its toerail in the water just haulin' ass through the ocean in the 12'
swells in a 35 knot "crosswind" is just fantastic! Go for it!

That must rank as about the most informative and helpful reply I've
had thus far. You've sold me on the idea of crewing first at least -
and maybe saved me a lot of money and trouble as well!

Many thanks, Larry.

--

"Suffer no one to tell you what to think."
Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party.

http://www.newconservativeparty.org

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:20:54 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Duncan Heenan wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...

Duncan Heenan wrote:

"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message
et...

Duncan, are you still be ****ed about losing the colonies?
JR

So you ARE American, and that DOES explain a lot!
PS How do you like owning Afghanistan and Iraq?

Fabulous! The price of gasoline is dropping like a stone thanks to, um,
all that oil in Afghanistan!

Stephen

And your point is???

I'll leave that for you to work out on your own.

Heroin's also dirt-cheap in Britain now that Afghanistan's back to
full production of the stuff.
--

"Suffer no one to tell you what to think."
Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party.

http://www.newconservativeparty.org

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:59:45 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Nope....wrong thinking. When you're "out there", even only 397 miles "out
there"....YOUR STRANDED OUT THERE!! It's FOREVER to "shelter"....in 25'
waves crashing over the broken mast stub, the mast and its sails long
gone....Not fun.

Larry, I admire your forthrightness, but now you're starting to scare
me. If sailing were like that for anything other than the odd very bad
experience, surely *no one* would go near a boat!
--

"Suffer no one to tell you what to think."
Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party.

http://www.newconservativeparty.org