On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:49:04 GMT, New Conservative
wrote:


Yes, thanks, I've certainly taken on board (get the pun?) the advice
so far and am grateful for it.
So far as the troll/suicide accusation is concerned, I think that's
just sour grapes over the politics of the New Conservative website
rather than the nature of the (admittedly dumb) questions I've posed.
If Mr. Temple Fry and his admirers don't want to assist me, then
they're not obliged to! Unlike them, we in the New Conservatives (no
connect with the US 'Neocons') believe in completely free speech among
many other important democratic freedoms that I'll be only to happy to
tell him all about at great length if I have to put up with any more
of his silly nonsense about trolling/suicide (which is a bloody
ignorant, stupid and offensive remark to make anyway in a public forum
where any participant could have suffered such a loss to which Mr. T-F
and his pals seem haughtily indifferent.)
To everyone else, however, thanks again.

Seriously though, crew on a 30 footer off the English coast as one of
three people, or rent a dinghy in the Solent and flop around in light
air until you feel you've got the basics. There is no substitute for
doing, and you are asking questions that can be answered by any of
several hundred web sites.

No offence meant, but you will have better questions having tipped a
boat over several times without serious incident.
R.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:50 -0000, "Ian Petrie"
wrote:



The book on the other hand is well worth reading. The tension is all set
with the meteorologists and the development of the storm - recommended.

The book is also partly fiction, particularly in regard to the fate of
the small yacht portrayed.

See http://world.std.com/~kent/satori/ for the true story. The boat
survived, was recovered and hauled off a beach, repaired and sailed
for many years by its skipper until being sold. It's still sailing
today.

R.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:56:38 -0500, rhys wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:37:50 -0000, "Ian Petrie"
wrote:



The book on the other hand is well worth reading. The tension is all set
with the meteorologists and the development of the storm - recommended.

The book is also partly fiction, particularly in regard to the fate of
the small yacht portrayed.

See http://world.std.com/~kent/satori/ for the true story. The boat
survived, was recovered and hauled off a beach, repaired and sailed
for many years by its skipper until being sold. It's still sailing
today.

R.
This has come up over and over. The book is not fiction. What happened
to Satori after the storm has nothing to do with the book, which
describes the CG tug struggling at 3 knots to get there.
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

For your upscale SUV: Dingle-balls hand knit of natural Icelandic yarn

in message , New
Conservative ') wrote:

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:32:34 -0500, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Hi Larry,

[survey info snipped]

Makes no difference. You get there when you get there, if you get
there at
all. You are at the total mercy of wind and waves and storm fronts
and your own incompetence.....

You have two problems. Single handed isn't really legal by
international law as you must "Maintain a Sharp Lookout" so you don't
run into anything. Around The World Alone races are simply overlooked
because they move lots of expensive products with the
gunwale-to-gunwale advertising, so they get
away with it. NEVER SAIL TO SEA ALONE is good advise. I don't care
if you're a world class triathelon champion, the sea will wear your
ass down in no time at all and you'll think you just can't lift
another arm or take another turn on a winch, having given up hours ago
because your arms feel like lead and you can't keep your eyes
open.....This is why we stand 2 hour watches with the OTHER CREW
MEMBERS who've been tossing and turning in their almost sleep trying
to get some sleep before it's their turn, again.

By day 6, noone talks to anyone any more. They're all too tired from
being
thrown about, 24/7 for 6 days to talk. If it's calm and everyone gets
to rest, we don't GET ANYWHERE just sitting there with all the dirty
laundry
flapping restlessly NOT pulling the boat through the water. If it's
windy, it's rough and sleep is hard, even though you're exhausted.

Now you put it like that, single-handedness is losing its appeal...

The trouble with newsgroups is that you have to judge for yourself to
what extent the people on it know what they're talking about.

Yes, there is a question mark over the legality of single handed
sailing, because of the watch keeping issue. There always has been -
this isn't some new rule. In practice, if you're sailing a small boat,
this isn't a problem.

If you have reasonable self steering gear the boat is going to look
after herself a great deal of the time. In my (limited) experience, the
main problem with cruising single handed is taking enough books to
read. Yes, there will be some days of bad weather, and you will need to
know how to look after your boat through those. Yes, there may be some
days of flat calm, which are pretty trying in my experience. But going
to sea is not generally some dreadful experience, and the people who
are claiming it is have probably never tried it. If your boat isn't
comfortable, that's your problem for having chosen the wrong boat or
for not having equipped her right.

I would not advise you to buy a boat and immediately sail across the
Atlantic single handed. In fact, I would very strongly advise you not
to. I'd advise you to go sailing with different people on different
boats to learn what sort of boat you like and to gain experience before
you buy anything at all.

But if sailing across the Atlantic without experience is what you want
to do it is not /outrageously/ unsafe. You have a better than evens
chance of making it, and, in my opinion, a better than 90% chance of
surviving it. You'll also learn a lot about yourself in the process.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Anagram: I'm soon broke.

In article ,
says...

This has come up over and over. The book is not fiction. What happened
to Satori after the storm has nothing to do with the book, which
describes the CG tug struggling at 3 knots to get there.

Rodney, the book is not fiction but even the author conceded that he needed to
have done more work verifying some of the information. His most grievous lapse
was in failing to interview the owner of the Andrea Gail, who comes in for a
lot of criticism in the book, all of it second hand.

In other words, we can't take you seriously as a sailor or even a wanna-be.

--
Dennis Gibbons
dkgibbons at optonline dot net
"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:49:04 GMT, New Conservative
wrote:


Yes, thanks, I've certainly taken on board (get the pun?) the advice
so far and am grateful for it.
So far as the troll/suicide accusation is concerned, I think that's
just sour grapes over the politics of the New Conservative website
rather than the nature of the (admittedly dumb) questions I've posed.
If Mr. Temple Fry and his admirers don't want to assist me, then
they're not obliged to! Unlike them, we in the New Conservatives (no
connect with the US 'Neocons') believe in completely free speech among
many other important democratic freedoms that I'll be only to happy to
tell him all about at great length if I have to put up with any more
of his silly nonsense about trolling/suicide (which is a bloody
ignorant, stupid and offensive remark to make anyway in a public forum
where any participant could have suffered such a loss to which Mr. T-F
and his pals seem haughtily indifferent.)
To everyone else, however, thanks again.

Seriously though, crew on a 30 footer off the English coast as one of
three people, or rent a dinghy in the Solent and flop around in light
air until you feel you've got the basics. There is no substitute for
doing, and you are asking questions that can be answered by any of
several hundred web sites.

No offence meant, but you will have better questions having tipped a
boat over several times without serious incident.
R.

"Frank" wrote in
oups.com:

Oh, yeah, I can relate to that! Before the late 80's, I'd cruise boat
shows or car dealers in my raggedy-ass jeans and a T-shirt, along with
my long hair and beard, often closely followed by security guys but
ignored by sales droids.

Thanks. That's us at a boatshow...(c;

I also find it amusing if your boat clothes smell faintly of diesel fuel...

JR Gilbreath wrote in
:

BTW, I live about 10 miles from your captain and used to work with
some people that lived in the same subdivision.
JR


Great guy, one of my best friends. We worked all morning, yesterday, on
new halyards, putting up the new radar dome and replacing the Windex and
checking all the fittings/lights/etc up the masts.....

Kevin Stevens wrote in news:9b75g2-
:

Of course, the yacht shown in that movie *didn't* sink, and was
recovered intact on the coast of, I believe the Carolinas, after the
crew was taken off.

KeS



There was a report, not long ago, of a boater getting a call from the cops
in Hawaii. He had been pulled off his sloop with his wife in a storm and
they had assumed, wrongly, that his yacht had gone down. The cops in
Hawaii, months or years later, had found his abandoned boat at the entrance
to one of Hawaii's harbors and had towed it in.....in good condition.

New Conservative wrote in
:

That must rank as about the most informative and helpful reply I've
had thus far. You've sold me on the idea of crewing first at least -
and maybe saved me a lot of money and trouble as well!

Many thanks, Larry.



Crewing is great....er, ah, especially the part where I go over to the
marine store to spend someone ELSE'S money...(c;

I think it's better to crew than to own your own boat. It takes little
money, you don't HAVE to go if you don't want to, and there's no monthly
money flow. I get a great feeling out of helping someone else fixing their
stuff. Spent all morning, yesterday, with another ham friend re-installing
a new radar dome, some halyards/blocks, a new Windex and checking out the
VHF antennas atop the masts and lighting. He had to go to work at 1 so we
couldn't hang around the boat all afternoon and drink beer....darn it.

Maybe later this afternoon....(c;