Pete Verdon d wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Our boat was made for the Caribbean and we sail on the East coast of
the US, so it is frequently hot, humid and airless

Don't have any wind scoops though.

No? Most of the boats I've sailed on in hot places have had one for the
fore-hatch, and they make a big difference down below if there's any
breeze at all. It's a small triangle of sailcloth, about three feet tall
and with the bottom edge long enough to go round three sides of the
hatch. There's a cord from the point which you tie to something above
the deck (often one of the jib sheets[1]) and a drawstring arrangement
at the bottom which fixes it around the hatch. You set it up facing into
the breeze, and it deflects air downwards through the hatch.

I remember seeing an X-shaped one recently which looked quite good as it
wouldn't need to be pointed into the wind.

Pete

[1] Assuming roller furling

We've never felt the need for wind scoops. If we are at anchor, the
boat usually points into the wind and the hatch popped up acts as a
wind scoop. I've seen some boats where the hatch can be hinged on
either side in case the wind or breeze isn't coming from the bow.

grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Pete Verdon d wrote in
:

Gives it character.

Pete



Just tell them you used to be on diesel submarines....(c;

EVERYONE on a diesel sub smells like the inside of the diesel tanks!

Rosalie B. wrote:

We've never felt the need for wind scoops. If we are at anchor, the
boat usually points into the wind and the hatch popped up acts as a
wind scoop.

Fair enough. Most boats I've been on have the hinge at the front, so
that wouldn't work. I think it's required by chartering regulations
somewhere, which is why they're built like that.

I have seen a suggestion that, if anchored in calm weather somewhere
hot, you could shift the anchor line to the stern so that the companion
way acts as a big wind scoop right into the whole cabin. Struck me as
quite a good idea, as long as the conditions were right.

Pete

Relic Hunter wrote in
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I live in the NE. Lake Erie is my home lake. But I enjoy reading the
experiences of others.


I was born and raised on Owasco Lake, 40 mi SW of Syracuse. Been a boat
owner, of one sort or another since I was 8 (lovingly restored old oak
rowboat and 1hp Elto outboard circa 1930-something and given to me for
Christmas in 1954..(c; It was painted the same green as the picnic tables
at the state park because my grandfather knew someone.)

Back on topic....is Lake Erie still "dead" or have the two governments
gotten that under control?

We used to tent camp at Fair Haven State Park on Lake Ontario, every
weekend, from the time the snow melted until it returned.....weeks
later!..(c; Larry KNOWS Mooneyes on a beach.

The only boat I own, right now, is a 9.6' Watertender and Yam 3hp outboard
one of the guys at the marina gave me. (I never turned down a free
boat....not one time!) He hated towing it and bought a Fold-A-Bote. It's
a fun boat, though not rippingly fast so my neighbor's kids can play with
it. The ketch I sail on belongs to a friend from Atlanta. We're going
sailing in the morning after the weekenders head back to the slave pits.

Pete Verdon d wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

We've never felt the need for wind scoops. If we are at anchor, the
boat usually points into the wind and the hatch popped up acts as a
wind scoop.

Fair enough. Most boats I've been on have the hinge at the front, so
that wouldn't work. I think it's required by chartering regulations
somewhere, which is why they're built like that.

I doubt that as our boats were made for charter and almost all the
hatches are configured to open forward. I think the saloon hatches
open from the back, but we rarely open them anyway.

Of course it may be that since they are old, they still considered
that if people didn't close the hatches before they got underway, they
deserved wet bedding rather than try to legislate it out for them.

I have seen a suggestion that, if anchored in calm weather somewhere
hot, you could shift the anchor line to the stern so that the companion
way acts as a big wind scoop right into the whole cabin. Struck me as
quite a good idea, as long as the conditions were right.

Pete

grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote:

Pete Verdon d wrote:

Most boats I've been on have the hinge at the front, so
that wouldn't work. I think it's required by chartering regulations
somewhere, which is why they're built like that.

I doubt that

It's still true, though.

as our boats were made for charter and almost all the
hatches are configured to open forward.

This is *UK*.rec.sailing. *Our* charter regs require hatches to hinge
at the front. Mind you, these regs are fairly young, not more than
about 15 years old. I expect you lot across the pond don't even have
regs which apply to recreational charter craft and not to recreational
non-charter craft.

Of course it may be that since they are old, they still considered
that if people didn't close the hatches before they got underway, they
deserved wet bedding rather than try to legislate it out for them.

Our charter rules also require hatches to be labelled with a notice
"NOT TO BE OPENED AT SEA".

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:48:54 GMT, Ronald Raygun
wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Pete Verdon d wrote:


This is *UK*.rec.sailing. *Our* charter regs require hatches to hinge
at the front. Mind you, these regs are fairly young, not more than
about 15 years old. I expect you lot across the pond don't even have
regs which apply to recreational charter craft and not to recreational
non-charter craft.

Except that this is cross posted so it is not just uk.r.s, so it not
just a UK discussion.
PyroJames
Would arsonists please try to control themselves for the duration of the emergency.

Ronald Raygun wrote:


as our boats were made for charter and almost all the
hatches are configured to open forward.


This is *UK*.rec.sailing. *Our* charter regs require hatches to hinge
at the front. Mind you, these regs are fairly young, not more than
about 15 years old. I expect you lot across the pond don't even have
regs which apply to recreational charter craft and not to recreational
non-charter craft.


U.S. regs don't have much for bare boat charters, and its not a large
business in the states. Even small crewed boats often under "6-pak"
rules (so-called because the operator's license is only valid up to 6
passengers) which are pretty easy for a production boat to meet. For
more passengers, a vessel must be "inspected" which is considerably
more strict, and pretty much requires that a boat is designed for that
purpose.

FWIW, I don't recall ever seeing rear facing hatches on a recreational
sailboat, except aft hatches. My boat has 4 forward facing hatches
forward of the mast. It was designed and built in Canada, an a number
of them are in charter service.



Of course it may be that since they are old, they still considered
that if people didn't close the hatches before they got underway, they
deserved wet bedding rather than try to legislate it out for them.


Our charter rules also require hatches to be labelled with a notice
"NOT TO BE OPENED AT SEA".


Does that apply to all hatches, or just those up forward? I have
hatches 8 feet above the waterline that can't take water in seas under
about 4 feet. I usually close them in rougher weather to avoid
catching spray, but they only really need to be dogged down in seas
over 8 feet.

PyroJames wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:48:54 GMT, Ronald Raygun
wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Pete Verdon d wrote:


This is *UK*.rec.sailing. *Our* charter regs require hatches to hinge
at the front. Mind you, these regs are fairly young, not more than
about 15 years old. I expect you lot across the pond don't even have
regs which apply to recreational charter craft and not to recreational
non-charter craft.

I was thinking more about Caribbean charters which is what I'm more
familiar with. I didn't know that the UK HAD charters, let alone
rules for building boats to go into charter. So I've learned
something. (Which I think is a good thing BTW)

And too, our boat is a 1979 model, so it is way more than 15 years
old.

I really don't know what the new regs in the US require or even if
there are any. My husband always requires that we close all hatches
and ports before getting underway even though we don't really sail
much in the actual OCEAN. Even in bays, rivers, creeks, canals etc,
it's a good idea to close up the boat before pulling the anchor or
leaving the dock. Sometimes we do forget, of course.

If you close the hatch before you get underway, I can see no advantage
and PLENTY of disadvantages for the hatch to open facing the stern.
Why do you have that regulation?

Except that this is cross posted so it is not just uk.r.s, so it not
just a UK discussion.
PyroJames
Would arsonists please try to control themselves for the duration of the emergency.

I hope you won't object too much to my following the cross posted
thread, even if I don't know the UK rules.


grandma Rosalie

If you read the literature concerning long distance sailing published
prior to the 1980s, much of it was something like this:
" We had never been on a boat in our lives, but we always wanted to
sail around the world. We saw a P.O.S. 30 for sale cheap that the
owner swore was only a "little rotten", so we sold all our belongings,
bought a book on how to navigate, and took off with our 9 kids". They
had one big advantage over modern sailors; When a storm hit they KNEW
there was NO WAY to get help from anyone. Instead of calling the USCG,
they figured out how to get through a storm on their own. The ones
that did not obviosly didn't survive to write books.

Joe