K. Smith wrote:

baa ram ewe
baa ram ewe
only to Bush will we be true
baa ram ewe

you have nothing of interest or thoughtfulness to say
keep posting though
I'll keep an eye on you out of morbid curiosity

Clams Canino wrote:
Mecca - for starters.

_very_ _very_ bad karma
you are the poster boy for the "Stupid American"

ah well, one more idiot for the bin
plonk

Apparently, over 50% of our country has that very same opinion.
MMC
"Clams Canino" wrote in message
nk.net...
I know of a few people up in Maine that don't think that's too bad a view.
EG

-W

"MMC" wrote in message news:CDVKd.10061

There's a saying, "Unless you're the lead sheep, the view is always the
same".

I love these mile-long posts....

prodigal1 wrote:
Marley wrote:

Garuda wrote:


horse**** snipped

Why are you changing the subject that YOU STARTED Garuda? Let me
remind you....


You are wasting your time and effort on guys/girls like Dave and Garuda
and few others for whom constitutional rights have become inconvenient
impediments that are only situationally relevant. Egged on by airheads
like Anne Coulter and boneheads like Bill Oreilly who cheerlead for the
idiot Bush, they seem oblivious to the fact that this beautiful
democracy is being ripped out from under them by a bunch of
neo-conservative fascists. Don't think like they do and support Bush?
Then you are an "enemy of America" according to Coulter. Reading the
lines posted by guys like Dave and Garuda is a frightening glimpse into
the minds of those who were in Benjamin Franklin's mind when he wrote
about those who deserve neither freedom nor liberty. However Franklin's
words would be dismissed by the neo-con thinker Coulter as having come
from one who must have been an ancestor of today's 'looney left' who
according to Coulter "hates America more than Al Qaeda". And why?
Because their fellow American citizens DARE to exercise their
constitutional right to disagree with the policies of the current
administration.

Think about that. There are people in positions of influence and power
right now in the USA who seriously consider that anyone who didn't
support Bush might be someone who is disloyal to their nation. There
have been a handful of countries who have passed laws that have
suspended the civil and constitutional rights of it's citizens similar
to those on the books in the US now and none of those countries have
been allies of the US. In fact, the US has been at war, either hot or
cold with some of these states throughout the 20th century.

America is in _serious_ trouble right now, and as far as this outside
observer can tell, the threat is from within.

Keep posting relevant info like this Marley and try not to be too
discouraged or distracted when the pearls get spat back out.

Without sounding too boring, I have read the proclamation and find
nothing that poses any threat to those that have boats and use them for
legitimate purposes.

The issue raised about people having differing views is of interest. To
wit those that did not vote for bush must be anti-american.

This reminds me of Margaret Thatcher in the UK - who thought that the
people were the enemy of the state. Her view was that those that did not
support her views - they must be the real enemy. The UK and the USA were
Allies at the time. We still politics change but we still like eachother
more or less

Here in the UK we have the right to board any vessel to inspect the crew
and cargo - and do so - as a matter of course to ensure that such
vessels, the crew and cargo are not a threat to the interests of the UK
and that of any other nation state. Such vessels includes any vessel at
sea, land or air capable of moving goods and people. It's called "common
sense protection."

We Brits don't see this as a major threat to our civil liberties but
rather as a means of protection - as best we can under the restrictive
practices of the European Union which tends to try and stop us from
controlling our borders and the movement of goods, people and vessels.

No state can monitor one's internal thoughts but can act if they think
your outward actions pose a threat to security of the nation state. This
has been common practice for all states for thousands of years and thus
is not new.

What might be thought "new" - is the idea that the state can read your
internal thoughts - most with those views are either in some kind of
therepy or are in need of it.

Margaret Thatcher's downfull started when she showed signs of madness -
that she was right and every one else was wrong - and that ultimate
madness that the people are the enemy of the state. Even the
Conservative Party realised that she was losing her grip on reality -
they voted against her and the people in a general election voted that
party out of office.

Regards,

David



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Dave, Those jerks were on their soap box and they've fell off. No need to
feed the fallen. We ****'em off, don't you think?

Garuda wrote:
Dave, Those jerks were on their soap box and they've fell off. No need to
feed the fallen. We ****'em off, don't you think?



Garuda

Like I said before, Ignorance is temporary, Stupid is forever.

Clearly you've made your choice. It's pretty obvious based upon the lack
of literacy you've demonstrated.

Why should that **** me off? YOU are the one who wants to remain that way.

Fact is Garuda, NOTHING you have said changes the FACT that your
government has given itself the RIGHT to remove you from your vessel
based on the basis that they think that they know what you are thinking.

I do realize, (having read your post above) that you are not blessed
with linguistic skills, and perhaps can't comprehend the document at
hand. Perhaps Someone can explain it to you.

Here's the link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Remember Garuda, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Apply yourself and
perhaps you too will find yourself able to comprehend what you read
someday.

Didn;t we beat this topic to death about a year ago?

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Garuda wrote:
Dave, Those jerks were on their soap box and they've fell off. No need
to
feed the fallen. We ****'em off, don't you think?



Garuda

Like I said before, Ignorance is temporary, Stupid is forever.

Clearly you've made your choice. It's pretty obvious based upon the lack
of literacy you've demonstrated.

Why should that **** me off? YOU are the one who wants to remain that way.

Fact is Garuda, NOTHING you have said changes the FACT that your
government has given itself the RIGHT to remove you from your vessel based
on the basis that they think that they know what you are thinking.

I do realize, (having read your post above) that you are not blessed with
linguistic skills, and perhaps can't comprehend the document at hand.
Perhaps Someone can explain it to you.

Here's the link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Remember Garuda, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Apply yourself and
perhaps you too will find yourself able to comprehend what you read
someday.

I thnk the "Law Of The Sea" Treaty is scarier than this thing.

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Garuda wrote:
Dave, Those jerks were on their soap box and they've fell off. No need
to
feed the fallen. We ****'em off, don't you think?



Garuda

Like I said before, Ignorance is temporary, Stupid is forever.

Clearly you've made your choice. It's pretty obvious based upon the lack
of literacy you've demonstrated.

Why should that **** me off? YOU are the one who wants to remain that way.

Fact is Garuda, NOTHING you have said changes the FACT that your
government has given itself the RIGHT to remove you from your vessel based
on the basis that they think that they know what you are thinking.

I do realize, (having read your post above) that you are not blessed with
linguistic skills, and perhaps can't comprehend the document at hand.
Perhaps Someone can explain it to you.

Here's the link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Remember Garuda, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Apply yourself and
perhaps you too will find yourself able to comprehend what you read
someday.

The UN sponsored "Law of the Sea Treaty" relates primarily to industrial
and commercial interests as pertains to things like mining and
commercial rights to various resoruces. While those types of issues
indirectly affect everyone, the open ended framework of the proclomation
passed by Bush a year ago (
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html ) carries the
potential to impact on virtually EVERY boater traversing American
waters...be they American or foreign.

Seriously read the proclomation.

You can joust about "intentions" and claim that the laws won't be
enforced all you want, but if you read this document and comprehend it
(it's very clearly written and unambiguous) you will note that the
American Government has given itself teh right to sieze your vessel if
they think that you are THINKING of visiting Cuba in it. In short, if
the vessel has the ability to visit Cuba, the American government has
the legal right to sieze the vessel with impunity.

Whether you INTEND to visit Cuba is not a part of the law. There is
absolutely no statement within that proclomation that indicates what
proof is required...or what constitutes a valid reason for siezing your
vessel, other than the fact that they can arbitrarily decide that you
are THINKING about visiting Cuba.

Seriously...read it for what it is. Don't embellish it with thoughts of
"intent". There are no statements indicating that INTENT must be
established, only that the vessel can be siezed if it "is susceptible of
being used" to visit cuba.

Welcome to the land o'the free. Don't say you weren't warned.

I believe GWB's best campaign slogan might well have been:

"Thank you for not paying attention"




Doug Dotson wrote:
I thnk the "Law Of The Sea" Treaty is scarier than this thing.

"Marley" wrote in message
...

Garuda wrote:

Dave, Those jerks were on their soap box and they've fell off. No need
to
feed the fallen. We ****'em off, don't you think?



Garuda

Like I said before, Ignorance is temporary, Stupid is forever.

Clearly you've made your choice. It's pretty obvious based upon the lack
of literacy you've demonstrated.

Why should that **** me off? YOU are the one who wants to remain that way.

Fact is Garuda, NOTHING you have said changes the FACT that your
government has given itself the RIGHT to remove you from your vessel based
on the basis that they think that they know what you are thinking.

I do realize, (having read your post above) that you are not blessed with
linguistic skills, and perhaps can't comprehend the document at hand.
Perhaps Someone can explain it to you.

Here's the link.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Remember Garuda, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Apply yourself and
perhaps you too will find yourself able to comprehend what you read
someday.