BoatBanter.com

BoatBanter.com (https://www.boatbanter.com/)
-   Cruising (https://www.boatbanter.com/cruising/)
-   -   The thought police are coming forCRUISERS! (https://www.boatbanter.com/cruising/27567-thought-police-coming-forcruisers.html)

Marley January 28th 05 08:25 PM

The thought police are coming forCRUISERS!
 
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.

Calif Bill January 28th 05 08:49 PM


"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial

waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.



Marley January 28th 05 09:44 PM

Dave wrote:


Yes. That proclamation is about a year old. How many skippers have lost
their boats?

Typical horse**** from the loony left.


Man, what a stupid thing to say, Dave.

You can READ the law as signed by GWB right off of the White House web
site. I left you the link.

CLEARLY the U.S. government has given itself the right to READ YOUR MIND
and determine what THEY think you are thinking and act accordingly.

The fact that they don't appear to have done so YET is meaningless. And
in fact, if they HAVE done so, how the hell would YOU know, dip****?

Feel free to counter this comment by saying "Duh well, nobody dun went
'n took my boat offa me, so it can't be fer real. This is a jim dandy
law in my book."

Gogarty January 28th 05 10:20 PM

In article ,
says...


Dave wrote:


Yes. That proclamation is about a year old. How many skippers have lost
their boats?

Typical horse**** from the loony left.


Man, what a stupid thing to say, Dave.

You can READ the law as signed by GWB right off of the White House web
site. I left you the link.

CLEARLY the U.S. government has given itself the right to READ YOUR MIND
and determine what THEY think you are thinking and act accordingly.

The fact that they don't appear to have done so YET is meaningless. And
in fact, if they HAVE done so, how the hell would YOU know, dip****?

Feel free to counter this comment by saying "Duh well, nobody dun went
'n took my boat offa me, so it can't be fer real. This is a jim dandy
law in my book."


They also say that they have never invoked their right under the Patriot
Act to demand your library and bookstore records. They say. But how would
one know? Give a governemnt any power and it will use it.


Garuda January 28th 05 10:33 PM

I couldn't agree more. Marley doesn't understand
the meaning of the word "intent" or probable
cause.



MMC January 28th 05 10:39 PM

Enforcing drugs and prostitution? Sounds like Amsterdam!
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial

waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.





JimH January 28th 05 11:13 PM


"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".



You have a problem with that? Why?



Paul Schilter January 28th 05 11:18 PM

MMC,
Copy and pasted from the site:

"Sec. 4. The Secretary may seek assistance from State and local
authorities in carrying out the purposes of this proclamation. Because
State and local assistance may be essential for an effective response to
this emergency, I urge all State and local officials to cooperate with
Federal authorities and to take all actions within their lawful
authority necessary to prevent the unauthorized departure of vessels
intending to enter Cuban territorial waters."

I would imagine they would have to prove "intent". If you were cruising
the coast of southern Florida it probably wouldn't be a problem. If you
were headed directly for Cuba and were getting close to their waters
that might be a different situation.
Paul


MMC wrote:
Enforcing drugs and prostitution? Sounds like Amsterdam!
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"Marley" wrote in message
om...

Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial


waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.






Don White January 28th 05 11:21 PM


"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.



JimH January 28th 05 11:25 PM


"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.



If you were piloting a boat in time of war in the US.....and your boat was
needed to thwart an attack.... and you resisted....you may very well be
dead.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:05 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com