Jim,
The BS law that's the subject of this thread makes no more sense than when
the US was making threatening noises towards countries conducting business
and allowing travel to Cuba. It has absolutely nothing to do with security.
From following your posts, I can see that you really don't understand the
actual reason behind this law. It's the very loud Cuban-American voting
block and the fact that the rest of the country doesn't care enough to get
the 40 year old (failed) embargo lifted.
We're now "pals" with both Russia (which has sent us all their worst
criminals) and China (who has almost done away with US made goods); yet we
still have a hard on for Cuba? Give me a break.
There's a saying, "Unless you're the lead sheep, the view is always the
same".
MMC

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.



If you were piloting a boat in time of war in the US.....and your boat was
needed to thwart an attack.... and you resisted....you may very well be
dead.

Prodigal1

Thank you for your kind, heartfelt, and most of all LITERATE and
intelligent post.

I do realize that there are a LOT of people out there who are more
concerned with "being right" than with seeing the truth as it clearly
unfolds before them. Sometimes their stark denial in the face of the
obvious is startling. Take this evil bit of law GWB enacted. EVERYONE
can read it and (hopefully) comprehend the text. Yet some choose to read
it, and reinterpret it in a way that fits with their need to feel secure
or to "be right". In some ways it's fascinating to watch those people
deny basic facts like those portrayed so starkly through this
incredibly intrusive and repressive law. Even more impressive is the
attitude...and the extent to which these people will go to deny that
which is so painfully and glaringly obvious. At their level, it's not
about intellect or reason, it's about emotion. You can't help them, and
neither can I. I TRULY can do nothing more than pity them. Honestly
that's true.

None the less, I do believe that speaking out is important. It helps to
focus reality for those sad sacks who are so unable to overcome their
emotional baggage, and also allows like minded people (people who simply
see and accept reality for what it is) to share and to reinforce their
observations in a public forum, where maybe...just maybe their insights
can make a difference.

I truly do pity those people who have invested SO much of themselves in
denial and in defending "their positions" whilst ignoring their own plight.

I do appreciate your well written and heartfelt reply. Don't worry, the
stupidity and ignorance from those few hopeless causes doesn't
discourage me in any way.

I've always believed that Ignorance is temporary, but Stupidity is forever.

Each one of those who argues relentlessly with the FACTS as clearly
offered at the white house web site

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

has a clear choice between three options:

- Understand the words that they read in respect to the law as written.
- remain ignorant through denial.
- or just plain stay stupid.

Those that choose ignorance can possibly come to see reality given
enough opportunity. Maybe our posts can help.

Those who choose stupidity are beyond hope. My post was not directed at
the stupid ones because they are beyond hope. Hence, their responses
don't trouble me a bit. They made their choice to stay stupid.

I am very sorry that your country's fledgling democracy (after all it's
only just over 200 years old) is imploding. Sadly that is the most
common affect of rampant greed when coupled with a nearly sociopathic
lack of morals. Such is the Residency of GWB and his gang of thieves
(like Halliburton and their ilk.)

As an aside, for those who wonder why America is being "targeted" here's
a very informative link. After reading through the material, I verified
much of the data provided. http://www.ifamericansknew.org

Thanks again, Prodigal1

Marley





prodigal1 wrote:
Marley wrote:

Garuda wrote:


horse**** snipped

Why are you changing the subject that YOU STARTED Garuda? Let me
remind you....


You are wasting your time and effort on guys/girls like Dave and Garuda
and few others for whom constitutional rights have become inconvenient
impediments that are only situationally relevant. Egged on by airheads
like Anne Coulter and boneheads like Bill Oreilly who cheerlead for the
idiot Bush, they seem oblivious to the fact that this beautiful
democracy is being ripped out from under them by a bunch of
neo-conservative fascists. Don't think like they do and support Bush?
Then you are an "enemy of America" according to Coulter. Reading the
lines posted by guys like Dave and Garuda is a frightening glimpse into
the minds of those who were in Benjamin Franklin's mind when he wrote
about those who deserve neither freedom nor liberty. However Franklin's
words would be dismissed by the neo-con thinker Coulter as having come
from one who must have been an ancestor of today's 'looney left' who
according to Coulter "hates America more than Al Qaeda". And why?
Because their fellow American citizens DARE to exercise their
constitutional right to disagree with the policies of the current
administration.

Think about that. There are people in positions of influence and power
right now in the USA who seriously consider that anyone who didn't
support Bush might be someone who is disloyal to their nation. There
have been a handful of countries who have passed laws that have
suspended the civil and constitutional rights of it's citizens similar
to those on the books in the US now and none of those countries have
been allies of the US. In fact, the US has been at war, either hot or
cold with some of these states throughout the 20th century.

America is in _serious_ trouble right now, and as far as this outside
observer can tell, the threat is from within.

Keep posting relevant info like this Marley and try not to be too
discouraged or distracted when the pearls get spat back out.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:49:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.

I don't think either of those things happen on my boat more than three
of four times a season.

Killjoys.

R.

Only a complete (And I do complete) moron would call the United States a
democracy. It never was, was never intended to be, and never will be.
Those of you that love to quote Benjamin Franklin should read his quote
about a democracy.


Marley wrote:
Prodigal1

Thank you for your kind, heartfelt, and most of all LITERATE and
intelligent post.

I do realize that there are a LOT of people out there who are more
concerned with "being right" than with seeing the truth as it clearly
unfolds before them. Sometimes their stark denial in the face of the
obvious is startling. Take this evil bit of law GWB enacted. EVERYONE
can read it and (hopefully) comprehend the text. Yet some choose to read
it, and reinterpret it in a way that fits with their need to feel secure
or to "be right". In some ways it's fascinating to watch those people
deny basic facts like those portrayed so starkly through this incredibly
intrusive and repressive law. Even more impressive is the attitude...and
the extent to which these people will go to deny that which is so
painfully and glaringly obvious. At their level, it's not about
intellect or reason, it's about emotion. You can't help them, and
neither can I. I TRULY can do nothing more than pity them. Honestly
that's true.

None the less, I do believe that speaking out is important. It helps to
focus reality for those sad sacks who are so unable to overcome their
emotional baggage, and also allows like minded people (people who simply
see and accept reality for what it is) to share and to reinforce their
observations in a public forum, where maybe...just maybe their insights
can make a difference.

I truly do pity those people who have invested SO much of themselves in
denial and in defending "their positions" whilst ignoring their own plight.

I do appreciate your well written and heartfelt reply. Don't worry, the
stupidity and ignorance from those few hopeless causes doesn't
discourage me in any way.

I've always believed that Ignorance is temporary, but Stupidity is forever.

Each one of those who argues relentlessly with the FACTS as clearly
offered at the white house web site

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

has a clear choice between three options:

- Understand the words that they read in respect to the law as written.
- remain ignorant through denial.
- or just plain stay stupid.

Those that choose ignorance can possibly come to see reality given
enough opportunity. Maybe our posts can help.

Those who choose stupidity are beyond hope. My post was not directed at
the stupid ones because they are beyond hope. Hence, their responses
don't trouble me a bit. They made their choice to stay stupid.

I am very sorry that your country's fledgling democracy (after all it's
only just over 200 years old) is imploding. Sadly that is the most
common affect of rampant greed when coupled with a nearly sociopathic
lack of morals. Such is the Residency of GWB and his gang of thieves
(like Halliburton and their ilk.)

As an aside, for those who wonder why America is being "targeted" here's
a very informative link. After reading through the material, I verified
much of the data provided. http://www.ifamericansknew.org

Thanks again, Prodigal1

Marley





prodigal1 wrote:

Marley wrote:

Garuda wrote:



horse**** snipped

Why are you changing the subject that YOU STARTED Garuda? Let me
remind you....



You are wasting your time and effort on guys/girls like Dave and
Garuda and few others for whom constitutional rights have become
inconvenient impediments that are only situationally relevant. Egged
on by airheads like Anne Coulter and boneheads like Bill Oreilly who
cheerlead for the idiot Bush, they seem oblivious to the fact that
this beautiful democracy is being ripped out from under them by a
bunch of neo-conservative fascists. Don't think like they do and
support Bush? Then you are an "enemy of America" according to
Coulter. Reading the lines posted by guys like Dave and Garuda is a
frightening glimpse into the minds of those who were in Benjamin
Franklin's mind when he wrote about those who deserve neither freedom
nor liberty. However Franklin's words would be dismissed by the
neo-con thinker Coulter as having come from one who must have been an
ancestor of today's 'looney left' who according to Coulter "hates
America more than Al Qaeda". And why? Because their fellow American
citizens DARE to exercise their constitutional right to disagree with
the policies of the current administration.

Think about that. There are people in positions of influence and
power right now in the USA who seriously consider that anyone who
didn't support Bush might be someone who is disloyal to their nation.
There have been a handful of countries who have passed laws that have
suspended the civil and constitutional rights of it's citizens similar
to those on the books in the US now and none of those countries have
been allies of the US. In fact, the US has been at war, either hot or
cold with some of these states throughout the 20th century.

America is in _serious_ trouble right now, and as far as this outside
observer can tell, the threat is from within.

Keep posting relevant info like this Marley and try not to be too
discouraged or distracted when the pearls get spat back out.

I know of a few people up in Maine that don't think that's too bad a view.
EG

-W

"MMC" wrote in message news:CDVKd.10061

There's a saying, "Unless you're the lead sheep, the view is always the
same".

What ever happened ot the 70's when trading sex for drugs happened all the
time?
Anyone with enough blow could always get laid, right?

-W

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:49:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.

I don't think either of those things happen on my boat more than three
of four times a season.

Killjoys.

R.

prodigal1 wrote:
Internationally Acclaimed Education theorist and current Prof. Irwin
Corey Chair at the University of Alice Springs, K. Smith wrote:

You really should grow up a bit, this genuinely is a winner takes all
war, the reason you don't fully understand is that your admin has
successfully protected you from further attacks since 911.


Do grace us with yet more of your wisdom Oh esteemed one. Who did
attack the bldgs in New York and Washington?

Terrorists; the same terrorists that think nothing of suicide missions,
the same terrorists that want to destroy our civilization.

It would take one or two nuclear devices detonated in any western
democracy city & our entire system would be at risk of collapse, for we
would have little option but to respond without a pinpoint target.

It's not the 10s of thousands actually killed by any particular bomb
it's the knowledge it's happened & that terrorist groups can do it again
at will.

What's your suggestion just hand our countries over to the
terrorists?????? All start attending Friday prayers???

I'm sorry but the truth is that nuclear technology is easy to get, the
making of a crude device is certainly possible & has been for a long
time, right now our best bet is to ensure the delivery is as hard as we
can possibly make it for any terrorists.

The slight inconvenience that causes the occasional boat traveler is no
big deal, indeed the people spruiking this as an issue are not boaters &
would no more take a small boat offshore than fly to mars.

It's just part of the anti W political campaign from ungrateful
ignorant cowardly simpletons.


K

& Krause's lie of the day is:

Other than what he's picked up here over the years this liar
clearly doesn't & never has owned a boat & certainly never done any real
boating, yet he insults all the NG real boaters with lies like this;

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under
your command? I have.

Mecca - for starters.

-W

"K. Smith" wrote in message

for we
would have little option but to respond without a pinpoint target.

Clams Canino wrote:
Mecca - for starters.

-W

"K. Smith" wrote in message


for we
would have little option but to respond without a pinpoint target.




Hi Clams:-) Gee take it easy:-):-) hopefully we'll prevail & the people
themselves will see why our civilization has good health, equal
opportunity for all etc etc etc while their civilization is still in the
dark ages, indeed if we didn't pay then heaps to run our Chevs they'd
still be in tents riding camels, pretty much where we've driven their
leader:-)

K

& Krause's lie of the day is:

Other than what he's picked up here over the years this liar
clearly doesn't & never has owned a boat & certainly never done any real
boating, yet he insults all the NG real boaters with lies like this;

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under
your command? I have.

Feel the power of the Dark Side.

-W

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Hi Clams:-) Gee take it easy:-):-)