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I really don't want to sound like I'm bashing KISS, as I have one and
like it, but I've found that if I have a sustained output of 17A or more that the thermal breakers on the KISS start opening. When a breaker opens, the unit runs a lot more roughly, so you can hear it. The generator outputs 18A at 20 kts and 25A at 25 kts. Very impressive. You can see the output curve at http://www.kissenergy.com/OutputCurve.html. I have a LED based amp meter that only shows the output of the solar panels and wind generator, so I can easily tell what the wind is blowing by just looking at amp display. I can see it from the v-berth where we sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without having to get up. -- Geoff "Doug Dotson" wrote in : That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and does so with very little noise. Doug s/v CAllista "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring. The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of power. If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in 18 to 20 knots apparrent. It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers. This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water. "James" wrote in message ... I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the (very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine. Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind generator as compared to the old Air Marine one? Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular? Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype isn't much use. Experience is. Thanks Jimmy |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote: I can see it from the v-berth where we sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without having to get up. Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap" tactic G R. |
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One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60
inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous. Any thoughts? Doug Dotson wrote: That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and does so with very little noise. Doug s/v CAllista "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring. The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of power. If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in 18 to 20 knots apparrent. It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers. This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water. "James" wrote in message om... I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the (very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine. Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind generator as compared to the old Air Marine one? Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular? Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype isn't much use. Experience is. Thanks Jimmy |
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Mounting it wasn't particularly difficult. Uses the same setup as
I have seen with many of the smaller generators. I doubt if it is any more dangerous. Even a small generator can kill you pretty easily if you tangle with the blades. The larger diameter does mean it can generator more power. I was just talking to a guy that has 2 FourWinds Red Baron generators. They are somewhat smaller in diameter than KISS but seem to generate about the same amount oif power. Doug s/v Callista "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60 inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous. Any thoughts? Doug Dotson wrote: That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and does so with very little noise. Doug s/v CAllista "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring. The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of power. If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in 18 to 20 knots apparrent. It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers. This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water. "James" wrote in message . com... I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the (very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine. Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind generator as compared to the old Air Marine one? Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular? Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype isn't much use. Experience is. Thanks Jimmy |
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Doug,
Please clarify. Are you saying the guy with 2 red barons generate the same approx. amount of power as just one KISS? Jimmy Doug Dotson wrote: Mounting it wasn't particularly difficult. Uses the same setup as I have seen with many of the smaller generators. I doubt if it is any more dangerous. Even a small generator can kill you pretty easily if you tangle with the blades. The larger diameter does mean it can generator more power. I was just talking to a guy that has 2 FourWinds Red Baron generators. They are somewhat smaller in diameter than KISS but seem to generate about the same amount oif power. Doug s/v Callista "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60 inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous. Any thoughts? Doug Dotson wrote: That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and does so with very little noise. Doug s/v CAllista "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring. The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of power. If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in 18 to 20 knots apparrent. It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers. This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water. "James" wrote in message .com... I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the (very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine. Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind generator as compared to the old Air Marine one? Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular? Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype isn't much use. Experience is. Thanks Jimmy |
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My impression is that one of his Baron's did about as well as
a KISS. Probably worth a trip to FourWinds website to see what they claim. Doug s/v Callista "James" wrote in message . .. Doug, Please clarify. Are you saying the guy with 2 red barons generate the same approx. amount of power as just one KISS? Jimmy Doug Dotson wrote: Mounting it wasn't particularly difficult. Uses the same setup as I have seen with many of the smaller generators. I doubt if it is any more dangerous. Even a small generator can kill you pretty easily if you tangle with the blades. The larger diameter does mean it can generator more power. I was just talking to a guy that has 2 FourWinds Red Baron generators. They are somewhat smaller in diameter than KISS but seem to generate about the same amount oif power. Doug s/v Callista "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60 inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous. Any thoughts? Doug Dotson wrote: That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and does so with very little noise. Doug s/v CAllista "Steve Thomas" wrote in message m... I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring. The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of power. If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in 18 to 20 knots apparrent. It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers. This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water. "James" wrote in message l.com... I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the (very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine. Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind generator as compared to the old Air Marine one? Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular? Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype isn't much use. Experience is. Thanks Jimmy |
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"rhys" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz wrote: I can see it from the v-berth where we sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without having to get up. Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap" tactic G R. That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source? -- Evan Gatehouse you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me ceilydh AT 3web dot net (fools the spammers) |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:14:17 -0800, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote: "rhys" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz wrote: I can see it from the v-berth where we sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without having to get up. Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap" tactic G R. That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source? Ah yes, the telltale compass. I've wanted one for years. Take a look he http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2BC526E9 and you'll see why I don't have one yet. Sure like to find one at a reasonable price. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at world wide wiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
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Glen "Wiley" Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:14:17 -0800, "Evan Gatehouse" wrote: "rhys" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz wrote: I can see it from the v-berth where we sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without having to get up. Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap" tactic G R. That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source? Ah yes, the telltale compass. I've wanted one for years. Take a look he http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2BC526E9 and you'll see why I don't have one yet. Sure like to find one at a reasonable price. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at world wide wiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ Plastimo makes a great hand bearing compass that comes with a mounting bracket. You can mount it to a bulkhead or overhead and read it no problem while mounted, and snap it out of the mount to use on deck for taking bearings. Cost is only about $100.00. Two versions, one lighted (batteries) one not. I've had one for a couple of years. It's ideal for use near a bunk. Beats getting out of a warm bed anytime! |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:14:17 -0800, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote: R. That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source? Not without spending ten minutes with Google...but I suspect that the type of gimballed aviation compass of several decades back and mountable on bulkheads would work quite well if you kept it away from nearby steel deck gear. R. |
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