Assuming dead men tell tales.

"Me" wrote in message
...

| Bzzzzt, Wrong, At Sea, The government is the Flag of your vessel. You
| are subject to that flag no matter where you go in the world. they may
| not be around to enforce their Laws on you directly, but you actions can
| and do come under their preview, and you can be prosecuted for
| violations of their Laws upon your return or boarding by their At Sea
| LEO's.
|
|
| Me

some ****head powerboater fired a 12 gauge flare into my jibsail, flare
bouncing off and into the water. sail had slightest indication of soot (though
I had caught the ****er who shot it I would have used "necessary force" to keep
him down until the cops got there. Unfortunately, it was lite winds and he
hightailed out of sight.)

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I don;t think
a flare will even peretrate clothes let alone the person within.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Garuda" wrote in message
...
Thanks for acquiescing regarding the 44 magnum with tracers. However, I
believe the original thread dealt with flareguns and then migrated to an
inability of plastic gun to be used as a weapon. My point, albeit a bit
oblique, is penetration however slight is sufficient to complete the act.

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
| Fine, get a gun and a flaregun. Your implication is that a 44 Magnum
| is somehow an acceptable flaregun for legal purposes. Not true
|
|
| "Garuda" wrote in message
| ...
| At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own
| safety. In port is another matter.
| "Doug Dotson" wrote in message
| ...
| | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example
| | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs)
decision.
| |
| | Doug
| |
| | "Garuda" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol.
| |
| | "RWKxxx" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for
a
| long
| | time
| | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to
| have
| a
| | gun
| | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special
| places
| | that I
| | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were
to
| board
| | me
| | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and
| would
| | take
| | to
| | | long in that type of emergency.
| | |
| | | From: "Doug Dotson"
| | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes.
Might
| | knock
| | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually
| kill
| an
| | | attacker.
| | | Not sure how a flare gun is better?
| | |
| | | Doug
| | | s/v Callista
| | |
| | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always
had
a
| | flare
| | | gun
| | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first
| suggested
| to
| | me I
| | | was
| | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big
| barrel
| | cactus.
| | | It
| | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the
| best
| | but
| | in
| | | most
| | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it
in
a
| | hurry. I
| | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as
good
| as
| | this
| | | one
| | | in my opinion.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State,
| Lake
| | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard.
I
| was
| | told
| | | by
| | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they
are
| | | "weapons."
| | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can
it
| | shoot
| | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal?
Is
| it
| a
| | | danger
| | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd
| | appreciate
| | any
| | | info?
| | |
| | | --
| | | Steve
| | |
| | | --
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Guns in general may be more effective as symbols than when actually
detonated.

I saw a fully trained Marine holding a cocked .45 colt Hollywood stunt gun at
chest level on a stunt man (a USMC Reservist) hands by his side, a single
action (meaning the gun had to have the hammer pulled back by hand in order to
be fired) stunt gun on either hip, draw, cock and fire each gun twice before
the Marine at the ready and waiting to pull the trigger could pull even once.

As long as the intruder sees the gun and believes that it will
injure them it is worth its weight in gold as far as I'm concerned.

not worth its weight in lead, to a man who knows that most people can't fire
even once in a fraction of a second.

be careful guy.

Doug Dotson wrote:
The deterrent value of a firearm is well known.

oh horse**** you dufus

That's why in
areas where handguns have been banned (Wash DC, England, etc)
the crime rates are high.

let's see, murders per year in America = 11,000+
murders per year in England 100-200

pull your head out of your arse and breathe will you

prod, you don't seem to understand the nature of doug's usual postings.


prodigal1
Date: 10/14/2004 10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Doug Dotson wrote:
The deterrent value of a firearm is well known.

oh horse**** you dufus

That's why in
areas where handguns have been banned (Wash DC, England, etc)
the crime rates are high.

let's see, murders per year in America = 11,000+
murders per year in England 100-200

pull your head out of your arse and breathe will you

Automatic weapons are NOT illegal, and have not been for many years, with
proper paperwork and fees not only can a law abiding citizen own an
automatic weapon, but the fact of the matter is there are more automatic
weapons in private hands than there are in both law enforcment and military
hands.
The other fact of the matter is the "assualt weapon" ban was a useless piece
of legislation and anyone who believes it's demise will cause machine gun
toting criminals to overrun our streets is someone who does not understand
guns, and gets all thier information from the liberal media.

As for the question on the flare pistol, why post a question here? write to
the company that makes the flare pistol and get the truth from the people
who know exactllay what laws apply and how they apply...it's thier
livelyhood.

Eric

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Automatic weapons have been illegal for years, and still are for the
general
public. The term "assualt weapon" is poorly defined, and was just made up
to
ban a few rifles that "looked bad". GWB didn't do anything... the bill
banning those "assualt weapons" hit it's sunset date, and ended without
congress trying to re-enact it. At least they had some sense.

Your misconceptions are just what the anti-gun lobby wants. Sorry you fell
for it.

--


Keith
__
A 'good' return to your slip is one from which you can walk away. A
'great'
return is one after which they can use the boat again.

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

eric, be careful with your use of terms. "automatic" rifles and pistols are in
common usage by civilians, but the word automatic used in that context means
the weapon chambers another round and cocks the gun "automatically" after each
fired round.

However "fully automatic" (which keep firing as long as the trigger is pulled,
and means "machine guns" to most people) are not much represented in the
civilian population (there is a $250 yearly fee involved, and a lot of scrutiny
by law enforcement at all levels). machine guns are far and away more common
in the military.

many of the "assault weapons" forbidden under the old law were legally sold to
civilians once the magazines and flash suppressors were removed. same firing
power but you don't look as cool to your buddies and you can't fire but maybe
six (?) rounds before reloading (as opposed to 18 to 30 with a magazine fed
weapon) and reloading is slower. big deal.

"Eric Currier"
Date: 10/15/2004 1:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: EyJbd.61530$tU4.19280@okepread06

Automatic weapons are NOT illegal, and have not been for many years, with
proper paperwork and fees not only can a law abiding citizen own an
automatic weapon, but the fact of the matter is there are more automatic
weapons in private hands than there are in both law enforcment and military
hands.
The other fact of the matter is the "assualt weapon" ban was a useless piece
of legislation and anyone who believes it's demise will cause machine gun
toting criminals to overrun our streets is someone who does not understand
guns, and gets all thier information from the liberal media.

As for the question on the flare pistol, why post a question here? write to
the company that makes the flare pistol and get the truth from the people
who know exactllay what laws apply and how they apply...it's thier
livelyhood.

Eric

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Automatic weapons have been illegal for years, and still are for the
general
public. The term "assualt weapon" is poorly defined, and was just made up
to
ban a few rifles that "looked bad". GWB didn't do anything... the bill
banning those "assualt weapons" hit it's sunset date, and ended without
congress trying to re-enact it. At least they had some sense.

Your misconceptions are just what the anti-gun lobby wants. Sorry you fell
for it.

--


Keith
__
A 'good' return to your slip is one from which you can walk away. A
'great'
return is one after which they can use the boat again.

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
eric, be careful with your use of terms. "automatic" rifles and pistols
are in
common usage by civilians, but the word automatic used in that context
means
the weapon chambers another round and cocks the gun "automatically" after
each
fired round.

That would be a semi-automatic weapon. The term automatic is generally
considered to mean fully-automatic.

However "fully automatic" (which keep firing as long as the trigger is
pulled,
and means "machine guns" to most people) are not much represented in the
civilian population (there is a $250 yearly fee involved, and a lot of
scrutiny
by law enforcement at all levels). machine guns are far and away more
common
in the military.

many of the "assault weapons" forbidden under the old law were legally
sold to
civilians once the magazines and flash suppressors were removed. same
firing
power but you don't look as cool to your buddies and you can't fire but
maybe
six (?) rounds before reloading (as opposed to 18 to 30 with a magazine
fed
weapon) and reloading is slower. big deal.

"Eric Currier"
Date: 10/15/2004 1:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: EyJbd.61530$tU4.19280@okepread06

Automatic weapons are NOT illegal, and have not been for many years, with
proper paperwork and fees not only can a law abiding citizen own an
automatic weapon, but the fact of the matter is there are more automatic
weapons in private hands than there are in both law enforcment and
military
hands.
The other fact of the matter is the "assualt weapon" ban was a useless
piece
of legislation and anyone who believes it's demise will cause machine gun
toting criminals to overrun our streets is someone who does not understand
guns, and gets all thier information from the liberal media.

As for the question on the flare pistol, why post a question here? write
to
the company that makes the flare pistol and get the truth from the people
who know exactllay what laws apply and how they apply...it's thier
livelyhood.

Eric

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Automatic weapons have been illegal for years, and still are for the
general
public. The term "assualt weapon" is poorly defined, and was just made
up
to
ban a few rifles that "looked bad". GWB didn't do anything... the bill
banning those "assualt weapons" hit it's sunset date, and ended without
congress trying to re-enact it. At least they had some sense.

Your misconceptions are just what the anti-gun lobby wants. Sorry you
fell
for it.

--


Keith
__
A 'good' return to your slip is one from which you can walk away. A
'great'
return is one after which they can use the boat again.

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Yes, but look at home invasions in England. Murder isn't the only crime
there is. Also, merders per capita might be a more useful statistic. Total
murders is a useless one.

Doug


"prodigal1" wrote in message
...
Doug Dotson wrote:
The deterrent value of a firearm is well known.

oh horse**** you dufus

That's why in
areas where handguns have been banned (Wash DC, England, etc)
the crime rates are high.

let's see, murders per year in America = 11,000+
murders per year in England 100-200

pull your head out of your arse and breathe will you

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:33:10 GMT, "Garuda" wrote:

Assuming dead men tell tales.

Isn't that the basis of all those forensics-based cop shows on TV
lately? Dead men are responsible for hundreds of scripts a year, it
seems. Even the "floaters".

R.