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Testing a flaregun as a weapon doesn't really entail firing it
into the air unless you are being attacked by paratroopers. "rhys" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:25:54 -0400, "Doug Dotson" wrote: I have a 25mm flaregun and some flares that are about to go out of date. I'll have some fun and get back to the group. Doug s/v Callista Call your Coast Guard first. They don't like false alarms G |
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Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol.
"RWKxxx" wrote in message ... | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a long time | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to have a gun | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special places that I | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to board me | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and would take to | long in that type of emergency. | | From: "Doug Dotson" | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an | attacker. | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | Doug | s/v Callista | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | ... | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a flare | gun | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first suggested to me I | was | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big barrel cactus. | It | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the best but in | most | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a hurry. I | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good as this | one | in my opinion. | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was told | by | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | "weapons." | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it shoot | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a | danger | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd appreciate any | info? | | -- | Steve | | -- | |
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Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example
is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. Doug "Garuda" wrote in message ... Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. "RWKxxx" wrote in message ... | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a long time | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to have a gun | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special places that I | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to board me | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and would take to | long in that type of emergency. | | From: "Doug Dotson" | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an | attacker. | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | Doug | s/v Callista | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | ... | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a flare | gun | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first suggested to me I | was | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big barrel cactus. | It | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the best but in | most | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a hurry. I | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good as this | one | in my opinion. | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was told | by | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | "weapons." | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it shoot | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a | danger | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd appreciate any | info? | | -- | Steve | | -- | |
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At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own
safety. In port is another matter. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. | | Doug | | "Garuda" wrote in message | ... | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | ... | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a long | time | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to have a | gun | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special places | that I | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to board | me | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and would | take | to | | long in that type of emergency. | | | | From: "Doug Dotson" | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might | knock | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an | | attacker. | | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | | | Doug | | s/v Callista | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | ... | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a | flare | | gun | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first suggested to | me I | | was | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big barrel | cactus. | | It | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the best | but | in | | most | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a | hurry. I | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good as | this | | one | | in my opinion. | | | | | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was | told | | by | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | | "weapons." | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it | shoot | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a | | danger | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd | appreciate | any | | info? | | | | -- | | Steve | | | | -- | | | | | | |
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Fine, get a gun and a flaregun. Your implication is that a 44 Magnum
is somehow an acceptable flaregun for legal purposes. Not true "Garuda" wrote in message ... At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own safety. In port is another matter. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. | | Doug | | "Garuda" wrote in message | ... | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | ... | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a long | time | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to have a | gun | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special places | that I | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to board | me | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and would | take | to | | long in that type of emergency. | | | | From: "Doug Dotson" | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might | knock | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an | | attacker. | | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | | | Doug | | s/v Callista | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | ... | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a | flare | | gun | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first suggested to | me I | | was | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big barrel | cactus. | | It | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the best | but | in | | most | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a | hurry. I | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good as | this | | one | | in my opinion. | | | | | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was | told | | by | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | | "weapons." | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it | shoot | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a | | danger | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd | appreciate | any | | info? | | | | -- | | Steve | | | | -- | | | | | | |
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Thanks for acquiescing regarding the 44 magnum with tracers. However, I
believe the original thread dealt with flareguns and then migrated to an inability of plastic gun to be used as a weapon. My point, albeit a bit oblique, is penetration however slight is sufficient to complete the act. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... | Fine, get a gun and a flaregun. Your implication is that a 44 Magnum | is somehow an acceptable flaregun for legal purposes. Not true | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | ... | At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own | safety. In port is another matter. | "Doug Dotson" wrote in message | ... | | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example | | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. | | | | Doug | | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | | ... | | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | ... | | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a | long | | time | | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to | have | a | | gun | | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special | places | | that I | | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to | board | | me | | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and | would | | take | | to | | | long in that type of emergency. | | | | | | From: "Doug Dotson" | | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might | | knock | | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually | kill | an | | | attacker. | | | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | | | | | Doug | | | s/v Callista | | | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | | ... | | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a | | flare | | | gun | | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first | suggested | to | | me I | | | was | | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big | barrel | | cactus. | | | It | | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the | best | | but | | in | | | most | | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a | | hurry. I | | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good | as | | this | | | one | | | in my opinion. | | | | | | | | | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, | Lake | | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I | was | | told | | | by | | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | | | "weapons." | | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it | | shoot | | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is | it | a | | | danger | | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd | | appreciate | | any | | | info? | | | | | | -- | | | Steve | | | | | | -- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I don;t think
a flare will even peretrate clothes let alone the person within. Doug s/v Callista "Garuda" wrote in message ... Thanks for acquiescing regarding the 44 magnum with tracers. However, I believe the original thread dealt with flareguns and then migrated to an inability of plastic gun to be used as a weapon. My point, albeit a bit oblique, is penetration however slight is sufficient to complete the act. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... | Fine, get a gun and a flaregun. Your implication is that a 44 Magnum | is somehow an acceptable flaregun for legal purposes. Not true | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | ... | At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own | safety. In port is another matter. | "Doug Dotson" wrote in message | ... | | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example | | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. | | | | Doug | | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | | ... | | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | ... | | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a | long | | time | | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to | have | a | | gun | | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special | places | | that I | | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to | board | | me | | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and | would | | take | | to | | | long in that type of emergency. | | | | | | From: "Doug Dotson" | | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might | | knock | | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually | kill | an | | | attacker. | | | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | | | | | Doug | | | s/v Callista | | | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | | ... | | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a | | flare | | | gun | | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first | suggested | to | | me I | | | was | | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big | barrel | | cactus. | | | It | | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the | best | | but | | in | | | most | | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a | | hurry. I | | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good | as | | this | | | one | | | in my opinion. | | | | | | | | | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, | Lake | | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I | was | | told | | | by | | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | | | "weapons." | | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it | | shoot | | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is | it | a | | | danger | | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd | | appreciate | | any | | | info? | | | | | | -- | | | Steve | | | | | | -- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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In article
, "Garuda" wrote: At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own safety. In port is another matter. Bzzzzt, Wrong, At Sea, The government is the Flag of your vessel. You are subject to that flag no matter where you go in the world. they may not be around to enforce their Laws on you directly, but you actions can and do come under their preview, and you can be prosecuted for violations of their Laws upon your return or boarding by their At Sea LEO's. Me |
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Of course, it may not matter how much actual damage a flare gun would do.
(But my common sense tells me it could be pretty nasty fired at someone's face--and I would have time to reload. Would you want another round between the cheeks?) Guns in general may be more effective as symbols than when actually detonated. As long as the intruder sees the gun and believes that it will injure them it is worth its weight in gold as far as I'm concerned. This might be effective. E.g. drunk teenagers looking for some fun harassing a boater could be disuaded from continuing their insults without ever having to fire a shot oops I mean flare at them. If I were attacked by pirates or really serious criminals, I would not be able to defend myself no matter what weapons I had. (Are there pirates on Lake Ontario?) It's the casual intruder with malicious intent that is the one I might be able to deal with. And frankly I do not want to be simply at the mercy of a "merely" malicious intruder, etc. I think all in all a flare pistol might not be a bad idea as a self-defense "weapon" since actual guns seem to have too many negatives. It at least is something--a symbol, a threat, an unknown to the intruder who will not want to find out how effective it is. Cheers, Steve "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I don;t think a flare will even peretrate clothes let alone the person within. Doug s/v Callista "Garuda" wrote in message ... Thanks for acquiescing regarding the 44 magnum with tracers. However, I believe the original thread dealt with flareguns and then migrated to an inability of plastic gun to be used as a weapon. My point, albeit a bit oblique, is penetration however slight is sufficient to complete the act. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... | Fine, get a gun and a flaregun. Your implication is that a 44 Magnum | is somehow an acceptable flaregun for legal purposes. Not true | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | ... | At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own | safety. In port is another matter. | "Doug Dotson" wrote in message | ... | | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example | | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. | | | | Doug | | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | | ... | | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | ... | | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a | long | | time | | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to | have | a | | gun | | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special | places | | that I | | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to | board | | me | | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and | would | | take | | to | | | long in that type of emergency. | | | | | | From: "Doug Dotson" | | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might | | knock | | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually | kill | an | | | attacker. | | | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | | | | | Doug | | | s/v Callista | | | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | | ... | | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a | | flare | | | gun | | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first | suggested | to | | me I | | | was | | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big | barrel | | cactus. | | | It | | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the | best | | but | | in | | | most | | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a | | hurry. I | | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good | as | | this | | | one | | | in my opinion. | | | | | | | | | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, | Lake | | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I | was | | told | | | by | | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | | | "weapons." | | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it | | shoot | | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is | it | a | | | danger | | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd | | appreciate | | any | | | info? | | | | | | -- | | | Steve | | | | | | -- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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The deterrent value of a firearm is well known. That's why in
areas where handguns have been banned (Wash DC, England, etc) the crime rates are high. Even Washington DC has finally come to its senses and is eliminating the ban of private ownership of guns. Anyway, this is a subject for a different thread/group. Doug s/v Callista "Steve Schwartz" wrote in message ... Of course, it may not matter how much actual damage a flare gun would do. (But my common sense tells me it could be pretty nasty fired at someone's face--and I would have time to reload. Would you want another round between the cheeks?) Guns in general may be more effective as symbols than when actually detonated. As long as the intruder sees the gun and believes that it will injure them it is worth its weight in gold as far as I'm concerned. This might be effective. E.g. drunk teenagers looking for some fun harassing a boater could be disuaded from continuing their insults without ever having to fire a shot oops I mean flare at them. If I were attacked by pirates or really serious criminals, I would not be able to defend myself no matter what weapons I had. (Are there pirates on Lake Ontario?) It's the casual intruder with malicious intent that is the one I might be able to deal with. And frankly I do not want to be simply at the mercy of a "merely" malicious intruder, etc. I think all in all a flare pistol might not be a bad idea as a self-defense "weapon" since actual guns seem to have too many negatives. It at least is something--a symbol, a threat, an unknown to the intruder who will not want to find out how effective it is. Cheers, Steve "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I don;t think a flare will even peretrate clothes let alone the person within. Doug s/v Callista "Garuda" wrote in message ... Thanks for acquiescing regarding the 44 magnum with tracers. However, I believe the original thread dealt with flareguns and then migrated to an inability of plastic gun to be used as a weapon. My point, albeit a bit oblique, is penetration however slight is sufficient to complete the act. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... | Fine, get a gun and a flaregun. Your implication is that a 44 Magnum | is somehow an acceptable flaregun for legal purposes. Not true | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | ... | At sea, there is no government, therefore I am responsible for my own | safety. In port is another matter. | "Doug Dotson" wrote in message | ... | | Doesn't matter what you or I think is a good flaregun (your example | | is a pretty poor one). It the government's (ours or theirs) decision. | | | | Doug | | | | "Garuda" wrote in message | | ... | | Consider a 44 magnum with tracer rounds as a flare pistol. | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | ... | | | Doug, I agree the flare gun may not kill or put someone down for a | long | | time | | | but in my case I was in foreign countries were it was illegal to | have | a | | gun | | | aboard. I could have loaded flare guns laying around in special | places | | that I | | | could grab and shut it to fire in an emergency if someone were to | board | | me | | | unexpectedly. I did have a gun but it was hidden to far way and | would | | take | | to | | | long in that type of emergency. | | | | | | From: "Doug Dotson" | | | Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might | | knock | | | someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually | kill | an | | | attacker. | | | Not sure how a flare gun is better? | | | | | | Doug | | | s/v Callista | | | | | | "RWKxxx" wrote in message | | | ... | | | I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a | | flare | | | gun | | | setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first | suggested | to | | me I | | | was | | | in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big | barrel | | cactus. | | | It | | | blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the | best | | but | | in | | | most | | | countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a | | hurry. I | | | would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good | as | | this | | | one | | | in my opinion. | | | | | | | | | | | | I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, | Lake | | | Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I | was | | told | | | by | | | West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are | | | "weapons." | | | Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it | | shoot | | | regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is | it | a | | | danger | | | to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd | | appreciate | | any | | | info? | | | | | | -- | | | Steve | | | | | | -- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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