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On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. === Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? |
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. -- Sir Gregory |
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:15:00 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. No. My question was prompted by you saying"moorings" require a permit so you call your manhole covers "anchors" which satisfy's officials that you do not have a "mooring". Does that mean that Florida defines a "mooring" only as a driven pile or other permanent fastening to the sea floor? -- Cheers, Bruce |
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 07:05:08 +0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:15:00 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. No. My question was prompted by you saying"moorings" require a permit so you call your manhole covers "anchors" which satisfy's officials that you do not have a "mooring". Does that mean that Florida defines a "mooring" only as a driven pile or other permanent fastening to the sea floor? That's the opinion of the FWC aka the Marine Patrol. Actually, it would appear that Florida has not defined what constitutes a mooring in the definitions of the statutes. See for yourself: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...s/0327.02.html All the more reason to NOT call heavy anchors a mooring. Why jeopardize your own case should the Marine Patrol decide to give you a ticket? -- Sir Gregory |
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On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. === 1/2 inch nylon is kind of light for riding out a hurricane. How do you keep the nylon from sinking to the bottom when you go for a sail? |
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On 10/4/2015 10:46 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. I don't get it. First, two 4' diameter manhole covers. Where'd you get them? Second, how'd you move them to site? Third, .5" nylon is trivial compared to the holding power of that anchor. It's silly to use TWO manhole covers and .5" of rode when one cover would hold to the point of the nylon breaking. I'm presuming a sand bottom rather than oyster or limestone. The cover sinks over time like a mushroom. Lastly, if there no buoy, how do you recover the rode? -paul --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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