On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 1:47:35 PM UTC+2, Flying Pig wrote:
"Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
...


Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing.
Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the
Abacos are gonna catch hell.

I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig
or it might REALLY end up flying.


Sir Gregory


I know that Neal/Greg/Wilbur won't see this because he plonks my poorly
formatted newsgroup responses (no attribution marks, which pains me even
more than it does him), but...

Thanks, one and all, for the thoughts.

My logs, as seen from the dates indicated, are way behind. As such, other
than comments dropped in replies (again with the unseen bit), you'd not know
that we're not in the Bahamas.

At the moment, Flying Pig is on a secure mooring in Vero Beach, and I'm in
Maine visiting my sibs, one of whom came up from NJ, before I go to a
reunion of my freshman national champion crew (rowing) for a week starting
Saturday, and thence to MI to see my daughter, before I return to the ATL
area for my kids.

In the meantime, Lydia has a baby shower for her second daughter's first
tomorrow, and then plays around with her kids/grandkids until I get back on
the 20th.

When I do, I'll see my (other) kids and remaining 7 grandchildren, and,
still up in the air, maybe a week helping my stepson and his wife and
1-year-old-in-4-weeks family redo their kitchen.

So, aside from the unlikely prospect of a hurricane hitting the not-stripped
Flying Pig on its mooring, we're all good.

That doesn't mean we're not praying for those in the Bahamas...

L8R

Skip, wearing not only clothing but warm clothing for the first time in a
while

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Hey Skip - what do you mean the dickhead won't see your response. He LIVES for them. He can barely contain himself when presented with anything from you. I believe the current US Gang jargon is something like "you own him".

He hangs on your every word.

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 09:03:05 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:30:29 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:


What's your hurricane plan if one starts heading for the Keys?

Depends upon from whence it arrives and with what strength.
For Cat 4 or 5, the Little Shark River is among my favorite
hurricane holes an it only takes half a day to get there.


Great place, one of my favorite wilderness destinations.

For those storms below cat 4, my 800-pound ring mooring suffices.

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.

===

Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy?

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.

===

Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy?


Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and
say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't
call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them
I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't
drag.

What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring
is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are
illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a
mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors.
Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled
into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers,
divers and recreational fishing.

Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless
steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel
swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2"
three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles.

--
Sir Gregory

--
Sir Gregory

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.

===

Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy?


Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and
say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't
call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them
I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't
drag.

What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring
is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are
illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a
mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors.
Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled
into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers,
divers and recreational fishing.

Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless
steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel
swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2"
three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles.

--
Sir Gregory

Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom"
anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc.,
but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor
--
Cheers,

Bruce

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless
steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel
swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2"
three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles.

===

1/2 inch nylon is kind of light for riding out a hurricane. How do
you keep the nylon from sinking to the bottom when you go for a sail?

On 10/4/2015 10:46 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.



I don't get it. First, two 4' diameter manhole covers. Where'd you get
them? Second, how'd you move them to site? Third, .5" nylon is trivial
compared to the holding power of that anchor. It's silly to use TWO
manhole covers and .5" of rode when one cover would hold to the point of
the nylon breaking. I'm presuming a sand bottom rather than oyster or
limestone. The cover sinks over time like a mushroom.

Lastly, if there no buoy, how do you recover the rode?

-paul


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On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.

Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy?

Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and
say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't
call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them
I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't
drag.

What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring
is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are
illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a
mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors.
Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled
into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers,
divers and recreational fishing.

Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless
steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel
swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2"
three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles.

Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom"
anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc.,
but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor

IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference
between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger,
heaver, and not regularly weighed.

In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are
pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of
sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little
or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become
effective.

Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain
of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an
anchor but placing one of those white balls with the
blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where
moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the
prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors*
instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled
into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring.

--
Sir Gregory

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 21:55:12 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless
steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel
swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2"
three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles.

1/2 inch nylon is kind of light for riding out a hurricane. How do
you keep the nylon from sinking to the bottom when you go for a sail?

I just tie a blue fender onto the nylon. The fender is labeled,

"PRIVATE"

For hurricanes, I double up on the 1/2 nylon rodes. Four times
1/2" is very strong and provides redundancy just in case.

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:24:11 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote:
On 10/4/2015 10:46 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote:

What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how
many?

Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on
top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400
pounds.

I don't get it. First, two 4' diameter manhole covers.

Not the covers themselves but rather the cast iron rings into
which the manhole covers fit.

Where'd you get them?

I worked for the water company and they have big concrete
vaults in the ground accessed by these manholes. From time to
time they abandon a pipe, valves, pressure regulators, etc.
so they no longer have any use for the vault so they fill it
up so it won't be a hazard to life or an attractive nuisance.
They remove the top concrete part and the manhole access.
They are left with heavy metal they must pay at the dump by
the pound to dispose of. I offered to take a couple of the
heavy rings off their hands.


Second, how'd you move them to site?

I used a truck with an electric lift. I backed the truck
up to a boat ramp and carefully lowered them one at a time
to a big Avon inflatable atop a piece of plywood. I slid
them off the plywood on sight after rigging the chain.

Third, .5" nylon is trivial
compared to the holding power of that anchor. It's silly to use TWO
manhole covers and .5" of rode when one cover would hold to the point of
the nylon breaking. I'm presuming a sand bottom rather than oyster or
limestone. The cover sinks over time like a mushroom.

The bottom is grass and slim mud over hard old coral rock. The
rings haven't sunk in more than a foot or so. I can still see
the top ring. There are slight irregularities to the rock and
I've had to renew the chain when I was using galvanized prior
to switching to stainless steel. I can dig out the mud from
around the chain and where the chain is there is a depression
in the rock large enough to snake new chain through. It's
about the length of my arm to pass it through the bottom.

Lastly, if there no buoy, how do you recover the rode?

When I go sailing, I simply tie one of those blue rubber
fenders onto the nylon rodes and the fender is labeled
"PRIVATE". If I'm going to be gone for more than a week,
I put an old dinghy on it and have friends keep an eye out,
etc. That keeps somebody from trying to claim it as their
own.