Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:

Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012
Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013
Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic
Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc.
Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries.
(As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470
miles could be added to the total ... later)

Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea.
Ran the engine 1,813 hours.
Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel.
Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77%
Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23%
Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645
Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153
Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335
Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255
Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744

During the trip, I hauled out two times for anti-fouling and repaired,
updated & installed various pieces of equipment whose costs are not
reflected in any of the above amounts. Cruising permits for Panama &
Indonesia were included with customs, immigration fees. Fuel costs
were always derived from the price at the last port of call and varied
a lot with Europe having very high prices. Overall average fuel price
was USD $1.31 per liter. I am working on some of the expenses other
occurred during the trip and not included above:

For the power boat sailors he also comments:

Comparing this trip to a small trawler, one would have used about
19,000 liters of fuel and spent about USD $25,000 on fuel, methinks,
but a good trawler with a well designed propulsion system, with some
sails to take advantage of the downwind trade winds and not pushed too
hard might do better.

(As Wayne mentions, he left from Langkawi, Malaysia, which is on the
Malaysian - Thai border and he is now in Sebana Cove which is located
on the Malaysia - Singapore border so to have sailed around the world
he must sail from the southern tip of Malaysia to the northern edge.
Thus the "well nearly" comment :-)

--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

On 9/15/2013 12:48 AM, Bruce in bangkok wrote:

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:


Interesting stats. It appears to me that he controlled whatever expenses
which are controllable well.

What type of boat was he on? Singlehanding or what?

-paul

"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
...

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:

Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012
Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013
Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic
Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc.
Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries.
(As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470
miles could be added to the total ... later)

Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea.
Ran the engine 1,813 hours.
Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel.
Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77%
Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23%
Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645
Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153
Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335
Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255
Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744

During the trip, I hauled out two times for anti-fouling and repaired,
updated & installed various pieces of equipment whose costs are not
reflected in any of the above amounts. Cruising permits for Panama &
Indonesia were included with customs, immigration fees. Fuel costs
were always derived from the price at the last port of call and varied
a lot with Europe having very high prices. Overall average fuel price
was USD $1.31 per liter. I am working on some of the expenses other
occurred during the trip and not included above:

For the power boat sailors he also comments:

Comparing this trip to a small trawler, one would have used about
19,000 liters of fuel and spent about USD $25,000 on fuel, methinks,
but a good trawler with a well designed propulsion system, with some
sails to take advantage of the downwind trade winds and not pushed too
hard might do better.

(As Wayne mentions, he left from Langkawi, Malaysia, which is on the
Malaysian - Thai border and he is now in Sebana Cove which is located
on the Malaysia - Singapore border so to have sailed around the world
he must sail from the southern tip of Malaysia to the northern edge.
Thus the "well nearly" comment :-)


Pathetic account, IMO.

He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He
should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the
prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This
would have saved him lots of time and money and would have
been a REAL circumnavigation.

He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship
tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are
just so clueless.

--
Sir Gregory

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote:

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:

Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012
Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013
Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic
Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc.
Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries.
(As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470
miles could be added to the total ... later)

Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea.
Ran the engine 1,813 hours.
Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel.
Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77%
Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23%
Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645
Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153
Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335
Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255
Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744

===

Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to
90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine
hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our
longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would
really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low
(22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern
Caribbean.

On 15/09/2013 7:08 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
...

snipped

Pathetic account, IMO.

He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He
should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the
prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This
would have saved him lots of time and money and would have
been a REAL circumnavigation.

He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship
tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are
just so clueless.


WHEN you do it, you can tell US who ARE doing it
and HAVE done, it HOW to do it. Until then,
from where you sit, it's all SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA from you.
Sometimes you can be ****ing irritating. But then, I'm the
one sitting in a nice little harbor on Nisyros so I have
to count my good fortune.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote:

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:

Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012
Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013
Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic
Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc.
Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries.
(As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470
miles could be added to the total ... later)

Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea.
Ran the engine 1,813 hours.
Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel.
Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77%
Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23%
Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645
Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153
Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335
Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255
Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744

===

Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to
90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine
hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our
longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would
really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low
(22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern
Caribbean.



Fourteen *countries* between Florida and the Caribbean? OMG.

No way! There just aren't 14 countries between here and there, dude.

You have:

1) Bahamas
2) Turks and Caicos
3) Dominican Republic (Haiti doesn't count only a fool stops there)
Puerto Rico doesn't count because it's America
Virgin Islands don't count because they are American
4) BVI's
5) AVI's don't count as a separate country.
6) Anguilla

That makes six and you're in the Eastern Caribbean.

--
Sir Gregory

Then you're in the Eastern Caribbean.


--
Sir Gregory

"injipoint" wrote in message
...
On 15/09/2013 7:08 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
...

snipped

Pathetic account, IMO.

He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He
should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the
prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This
would have saved him lots of time and money and would have
been a REAL circumnavigation.

He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship
tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are
just so clueless.

WHEN you do it, you can tell US who ARE doing it
and HAVE done, it HOW to do it. Until then,
from where you sit, it's all SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA from you.
Sometimes you can be ****ing irritating. But then, I'm the
one sitting in a nice little harbor on Nisyros so I have
to count my good fortune.


So, I'm sitting in a nice little harbor in the Florida Keys after
thousands of miles of sailing. That's not peanuts, ya know.

Your assumption that one must do a thing before one can
be an authority on a thing would rule out any male Obstetricians,
would it not? Might you logic be a bit flawed?

--
Sir Gregory

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:49:48 -0600, slide wrote:

On 9/15/2013 12:48 AM, Bruce in bangkok wrote:

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:


Interesting stats. It appears to me that he controlled whatever expenses
which are controllable well.

What type of boat was he on? Singlehanding or what?

-paul

Single handed on a 35 (or maybe 36) ft. Prout cat.
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 14:16:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote:

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:

Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012
Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013
Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic
Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc.
Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries.
(As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470
miles could be added to the total ... later)

Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea.
Ran the engine 1,813 hours.
Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel.
Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77%
Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23%
Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645
Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153
Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335
Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255
Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744

===

Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to
90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine
hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our
longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would
really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low
(22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern
Caribbean.

When he talks about power boats he is referring to the trawler yacht
type of boat. 40 - 45 ft. with a small engine. Probably 7 K cruising
speed. See http://www.dieselducks.com/Seahorse%20ducks.html
for an example of the type.

As for countries, he has been in the oil well drilling business nearly
40 years and worked in about every country that has oil. I think (as
he didn't talk about the trip before he left) that the intent was to
make the trip as opposed to visiting countries. In fact he was quite
disparaging about many of the countries he visited. I gather that he
feat that many countries viewed visiting yachts as simply a new form
of income.
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:08:15 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
.. .

Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the
world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to
other cruisers:

Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012
Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013
Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic
Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc.
Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries.
(As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470
miles could be added to the total ... later)

Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea.
Ran the engine 1,813 hours.
Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel.
Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77%
Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23%
Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645
Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153
Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335
Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255
Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744

During the trip, I hauled out two times for anti-fouling and repaired,
updated & installed various pieces of equipment whose costs are not
reflected in any of the above amounts. Cruising permits for Panama &
Indonesia were included with customs, immigration fees. Fuel costs
were always derived from the price at the last port of call and varied
a lot with Europe having very high prices. Overall average fuel price
was USD $1.31 per liter. I am working on some of the expenses other
occurred during the trip and not included above:

For the power boat sailors he also comments:

Comparing this trip to a small trawler, one would have used about
19,000 liters of fuel and spent about USD $25,000 on fuel, methinks,
but a good trawler with a well designed propulsion system, with some
sails to take advantage of the downwind trade winds and not pushed too
hard might do better.

(As Wayne mentions, he left from Langkawi, Malaysia, which is on the
Malaysian - Thai border and he is now in Sebana Cove which is located
on the Malaysia - Singapore border so to have sailed around the world
he must sail from the southern tip of Malaysia to the northern edge.
Thus the "well nearly" comment :-)


Pathetic account, IMO.

He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He
should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the
prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This
would have saved him lots of time and money and would have
been a REAL circumnavigation.

He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship
tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are
just so clueless.

How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book?

You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage
you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a
mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing.

And don't start the old sad song about how your voyaging is for your
benefit only as when you did make your epic cruise you made it a point
to describe it in loving detail right here on this site.

Capt. Neil the pitiful Pseudo Sailor.
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok