Attention all sailboats in the Key Largo area.
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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Early to mid-30s. :-}

Well, you're not that old... probably a heck of lot more polite and
respectful than some of the man/boy drones you find in bars. All they
(and the ones lifting weights on the beach - yeah, I like to watch)
want to do is get drunk and then try and get laid or they're so into
their muscles, they don't have time for anyone or anything else. It's
a jungle out there!

I can see that it must be for somebody as fit and attractive as you are.


How about Pops? (kidding) I bet you have a few good years left!
(whoa... that sounded harsh I think).

LOL! Better than 'Gramps.' I do hope I have a few good years left.


Hey, I went out with someone last year who was 51. He's a nice guy...
I just don't want kids, so we didn't last. Still friends though. He's
marrying someone in her late-30s.


One can be friends with people of all ages. When it comes to being lovers,
though, it's better to get closer in age if for no other reason that people
tend to look down on a woman with a too old man because they thinks she must
be a gold-digger or something. And if an older man is with too young a woman
they accuse him of robbing the cradle. Actually, it's none of anybody's
business who does what with whom but still the 'attitudes' are there than
sometimes make things uncomfortable.


I'm fine as long as my brother stops "fixing me up" with one of his
friends. It's too weird. I would rather be independent.

It's better to seek out one's own friends and then just let things develop
as they may. I think the 'fixing up' thing is pretty lame. Sort of smacks of
desperation, especially unnecessary when one is as attractive as you are.
You probably spend more time fending off advances than seeking them out.

Wilbur Hubbard

Oh well.
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
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Sure... I know how to dance... that's like required or something.
Sounds very mystical and zen-like. I'd imagine that there's no
distinct boundry between the water and air, especially when the boat
is really moving and kicking up some spray.

Right you are. There are degrees. In a storm, especially, the boundary
becomes somewhat 'fuzzy.'



snip

There's this place where the family goes sort of near Yosemite, but
not in a national park. You drive as far as the dirt road goes, then
hike the rest of the way... about 2 miles. You have to carry food and
sleeping bags, but some things are just hidden.


Everybody should have a getaway place like that. . .


Wilbur Hubbard

Oh well.
 

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:01:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
snip
Sure... I know how to dance... that's like required or something.
Sounds very mystical and zen-like. I'd imagine that there's no
distinct boundry between the water and air, especially when the boat
is really moving and kicking up some spray.

Right you are. There are degrees. In a storm, especially, the boundary
becomes somewhat 'fuzzy.'

Would that affect how the boat handles? (not the storm part..
obviously that would) For example, when a wave breaks on the beach and
you try to swim through the part that's broken up (all foam), it's
nearly impossible. You can pull and kick all you want, but nothing
much happens until you find solid water.

There's this place where the family goes sort of near Yosemite, but
not in a national park. You drive as far as the dirt road goes, then
hike the rest of the way... about 2 miles. You have to carry food and
sleeping bags, but some things are just hidden.


Everybody should have a getaway place like that. . .

It's nice. I haven't been for a while. The only real bummer are the
mosquitoes which can be ferocious in the summer. I hate putting a lot
of chemicals on my skin, so I tend to avoid the trail at dusk.

Attention all sailboats in the Key Largo area.
 

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:58:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
snip


Early to mid-30s. :-}

Well, you're not that old... probably a heck of lot more polite and
respectful than some of the man/boy drones you find in bars. All they
(and the ones lifting weights on the beach - yeah, I like to watch)
want to do is get drunk and then try and get laid or they're so into
their muscles, they don't have time for anyone or anything else. It's
a jungle out there!

I can see that it must be for somebody as fit and attractive as you are.

Thanks! I mean it's not like I'm fighting them off like flies. It just
gets old sometimes when you're trying to relax and read or listen to
tunes, and some muscle boy is standing there sweating.


How about Pops? (kidding) I bet you have a few good years left!
(whoa... that sounded harsh I think).

LOL! Better than 'Gramps.' I do hope I have a few good years left.

Me too!! lol

Hey, I went out with someone last year who was 51. He's a nice guy...
I just don't want kids, so we didn't last. Still friends though. He's
marrying someone in her late-30s.


One can be friends with people of all ages. When it comes to being lovers,
though, it's better to get closer in age if for no other reason that people
tend to look down on a woman with a too old man because they thinks she must
be a gold-digger or something. And if an older man is with too young a woman
they accuse him of robbing the cradle. Actually, it's none of anybody's
business who does what with whom but still the 'attitudes' are there than
sometimes make things uncomfortable.

That's probably true. I just don't give in to what "people think" at
least not when it comes to my social life or personal business. I
would never go out with someone just for their money. It wouldn't be
real and it would just be a gilded cage. Probably be so jealous that
he would croak if I talk to a bartender.


I'm fine as long as my brother stops "fixing me up" with one of his
friends. It's too weird. I would rather be independent.

It's better to seek out one's own friends and then just let things develop
as they may. I think the 'fixing up' thing is pretty lame. Sort of smacks of
desperation, especially unnecessary when one is as attractive as you are.
You probably spend more time fending off advances than seeking them out.

You have no idea how many times I've tried to explain this concept.
I'm not hard up or desperate, and I can get a date if I want one. The
weird part about being hit on is not in a bar or party or whatever...
not even on the beach (when ummm more is showing). It's like I'm in my
car stopped at a light, and some guy (probably married) is making
eyes?? Hello? Like that's going to really attract me. Or if I'm
obviously on the phone, and some guy is standing there.

I'm not saying this happens a lot... far from it. It just creeps me
out when it does. Are they going to try following me home or
something? I actually went out and bought a pepper spray, and bring it
with me to work for when I have to travel around.

Attention all sailboats in the Key Largo area.
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:58:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
snip


Early to mid-30s. :-}

Well, you're not that old... probably a heck of lot more polite and
respectful than some of the man/boy drones you find in bars. All they
(and the ones lifting weights on the beach - yeah, I like to watch)
want to do is get drunk and then try and get laid or they're so into
their muscles, they don't have time for anyone or anything else. It's
a jungle out there!

I can see that it must be for somebody as fit and attractive as you are.

Thanks! I mean it's not like I'm fighting them off like flies. It just
gets old sometimes when you're trying to relax and read or listen to
tunes, and some muscle boy is standing there sweating.

Tell me something, Jessica, if you would. I guess you know that men are more
visually oriented than women as a turn-on sort of thing. Even I get turned
on by the sight a scantily-clad lovely. With that in mind, what makes a
'muscle boy', as you call them, think that a buff body is the main thing
that attracts a woman? Do they really think a woman thinks like a man? I
mean, most women I've met seem to have other priorities first - such things
like a man who is considerate, intelligent, charming, complimentary,
well-to-do, successful in his field, etc. Good looking helps, of course but
isn't it more of a neck up good looking that women want? So why do muscle
boys think women care most about a pumped up body? And, isn't doing so sort
of like the bribe situation - kind of an insult to your priorities? Kind of
an underestimating of your mind?

snip

That's probably true. I just don't give in to what "people think" at
least not when it comes to my social life or personal business. I
would never go out with someone just for their money. It wouldn't be
real and it would just be a gilded cage. Probably be so jealous that
he would croak if I talk to a bartender.

Good girl. You get more loveable all the time . . .

I'm fine as long as my brother stops "fixing me up" with one of his
friends. It's too weird. I would rather be independent.

It's better to seek out one's own friends and then just let things develop
as they may. I think the 'fixing up' thing is pretty lame. Sort of smacks
of
desperation, especially unnecessary when one is as attractive as you are.
You probably spend more time fending off advances than seeking them out.

You have no idea how many times I've tried to explain this concept.
I'm not hard up or desperate, and I can get a date if I want one. The
weird part about being hit on is not in a bar or party or whatever...
not even on the beach (when ummm more is showing). It's like I'm in my
car stopped at a light, and some guy (probably married) is making
eyes?? Hello? Like that's going to really attract me. Or if I'm
obviously on the phone, and some guy is standing there.

That IS kinda creepy. It's not something any kind of a secure man would do.
I think if I were a woman that kind of man would frighten me at least a
little.

I'm not saying this happens a lot... far from it. It just creeps me
out when it does. Are they going to try following me home or
something? I actually went out and bought a pepper spray, and bring it
with me to work for when I have to travel around.

Can't say as I can blame you. There are too many psycho cases on the loose
these days.

Oh well.
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:01:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
snip
Sure... I know how to dance... that's like required or something.
Sounds very mystical and zen-like. I'd imagine that there's no
distinct boundry between the water and air, especially when the boat
is really moving and kicking up some spray.

Right you are. There are degrees. In a storm, especially, the boundary
becomes somewhat 'fuzzy.'


Would that affect how the boat handles? (not the storm part..
obviously that would) For example, when a wave breaks on the beach and
you try to swim through the part that's broken up (all foam), it's
nearly impossible. You can pull and kick all you want, but nothing
much happens until you find solid water.

Not really! A ballasted sailboat is quite heavy for its size and it has a
keel deep in the water so if there is a lot of froth it will float in the
solid water beneath the froth much the same as if there were no froth. You
will just get a lot of spray on deck in more extreme conditions. If one is
caught in a hurricane, however, all bets are off. Force 10 conditions are
nothing you want to be out in a small sailboat. You could probably drown in
the froth.



Everybody should have a getaway place like that. . .

It's nice. I haven't been for a while. The only real bummer are the
mosquitoes which can be ferocious in the summer. I hate putting a lot
of chemicals on my skin, so I tend to avoid the trail at dusk.


Do they have those Lyme disease ticks up there. I'd definitely be avoiding
those things.

The mosquitoes can be bad at times here during the summer. As long as the
wind blows over about ten knots they aren't bad out on the water but if it
gets calm out the come and the screens have to be kept in place. We also
have something called no-see-ums that are little tiny biting gnats that are
so small they can go right through a regular screen and the don't really
bite but they put a drop of strong acid down on your skin and when your skin
starts to dissolve they lick up the residue. It feels more like a tiny
little burn than a mosquito bite but it doesn't itch afterwards, at least.

Oh well.
 

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:45:47 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:01:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip
Sure... I know how to dance... that's like required or something.
Sounds very mystical and zen-like. I'd imagine that there's no
distinct boundry between the water and air, especially when the boat
is really moving and kicking up some spray.

Right you are. There are degrees. In a storm, especially, the boundary
becomes somewhat 'fuzzy.'


Would that affect how the boat handles? (not the storm part..
obviously that would) For example, when a wave breaks on the beach and
you try to swim through the part that's broken up (all foam), it's
nearly impossible. You can pull and kick all you want, but nothing
much happens until you find solid water.

Not really! A ballasted sailboat is quite heavy for its size and it has a
keel deep in the water so if there is a lot of froth it will float in the
solid water beneath the froth much the same as if there were no froth. You
will just get a lot of spray on deck in more extreme conditions. If one is
caught in a hurricane, however, all bets are off. Force 10 conditions are
nothing you want to be out in a small sailboat. You could probably drown in
the froth.

Ah.. ok. I guess you'd just get more froth on the boat... might be
kind of cool to experience (without drowning!)



Everybody should have a getaway place like that. . .

It's nice. I haven't been for a while. The only real bummer are the
mosquitoes which can be ferocious in the summer. I hate putting a lot
of chemicals on my skin, so I tend to avoid the trail at dusk.


Do they have those Lyme disease ticks up there. I'd definitely be avoiding
those things.

Yep. We do "body" checks all the time. You definitely don't want that
disease.


The mosquitoes can be bad at times here during the summer. As long as the
wind blows over about ten knots they aren't bad out on the water but if it
gets calm out the come and the screens have to be kept in place. We also
have something called no-see-ums that are little tiny biting gnats that are
so small they can go right through a regular screen and the don't really
bite but they put a drop of strong acid down on your skin and when your skin
starts to dissolve they lick up the residue. It feels more like a tiny
little burn than a mosquito bite but it doesn't itch afterwards, at least.


Bugs are strange. I tend to use the citronella... non-toxic.

Attention all sailboats in the Key Largo area.
 

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:38:04 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:58:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip


Early to mid-30s. :-}

Well, you're not that old... probably a heck of lot more polite and
respectful than some of the man/boy drones you find in bars. All they
(and the ones lifting weights on the beach - yeah, I like to watch)
want to do is get drunk and then try and get laid or they're so into
their muscles, they don't have time for anyone or anything else. It's
a jungle out there!

I can see that it must be for somebody as fit and attractive as you are.

Thanks! I mean it's not like I'm fighting them off like flies. It just
gets old sometimes when you're trying to relax and read or listen to
tunes, and some muscle boy is standing there sweating.

Tell me something, Jessica, if you would. I guess you know that men are more
visually oriented than women as a turn-on sort of thing. Even I get turned
on by the sight a scantily-clad lovely. With that in mind, what makes a
'muscle boy', as you call them, think that a buff body is the main thing
that attracts a woman? Do they really think a woman thinks like a man? I
mean, most women I've met seem to have other priorities first - such things
like a man who is considerate, intelligent, charming, complimentary,
well-to-do, successful in his field, etc. Good looking helps, of course but
isn't it more of a neck up good looking that women want? So why do muscle
boys think women care most about a pumped up body? And, isn't doing so sort
of like the bribe situation - kind of an insult to your priorities? Kind of
an underestimating of your mind?

It's certainly a turn on when a guy is in good shape, but it's
definitely a big zero if that's all there is to him. I have no problem
with boys being boys, but I have a big problem with they think it's
going to impress me. If some guy wants to prove his manhood by arm
wrestling another guy, I say go for it, but don't expect me to get all
limp over it.

As for the pumped up nonsense... I can't help thinking they have ultra
big muscles but tiny ummm chestnuts? Sort of a turn off. It's almost a
homoerotic thing with them I think.

Big turn ons for me are intelligence, humor, and at least polite
enough to not embarrass me if my father was sitting at the next table.
Honestly, intelligence and humor make up for a lot, even if a guy
isn't perfect otherwise... maybe a little over-weight... from my
perspective women don't get fixated on things like hair or lack of
it... all things being equal. Oh, and basic hygiene is a
non-negotiable.

I'd also suggest that they keep their hands to them self (well for
starters) :-) keeping in mind that if my older brother saw them, he
might be inclined to disengage their grope rather violently. :-} (He
was a bit over-protective in HS, and I doubt much has changed.)

snip

That's probably true. I just don't give in to what "people think" at
least not when it comes to my social life or personal business. I
would never go out with someone just for their money. It wouldn't be
real and it would just be a gilded cage. Probably be so jealous that
he would croak if I talk to a bartender.

Good girl. You get more loveable all the time . . .

Hey, besides, I make decent money. I'm not rich, but I get by fine. I
don't spend like crazy but I save like crazy.

I'm fine as long as my brother stops "fixing me up" with one of his
friends. It's too weird. I would rather be independent.

It's better to seek out one's own friends and then just let things develop
as they may. I think the 'fixing up' thing is pretty lame. Sort of smacks
of
desperation, especially unnecessary when one is as attractive as you are.
You probably spend more time fending off advances than seeking them out.

You have no idea how many times I've tried to explain this concept.
I'm not hard up or desperate, and I can get a date if I want one. The
weird part about being hit on is not in a bar or party or whatever...
not even on the beach (when ummm more is showing). It's like I'm in my
car stopped at a light, and some guy (probably married) is making
eyes?? Hello? Like that's going to really attract me. Or if I'm
obviously on the phone, and some guy is standing there.

That IS kinda creepy. It's not something any kind of a secure man would do.
I think if I were a woman that kind of man would frighten me at least a
little.

Yeah, what does he expect... I'm going to park and jump into his
car???

I'm not saying this happens a lot... far from it. It just creeps me
out when it does. Are they going to try following me home or
something? I actually went out and bought a pepper spray, and bring it
with me to work for when I have to travel around.

Can't say as I can blame you. There are too many psycho cases on the loose
these days.

I'm actually not that paranoid especially in the work day. It's other
times, like at night or whenever.

Oh well.
 

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
snip

\
Not really! A ballasted sailboat is quite heavy for its size and it has a
keel deep in the water so if there is a lot of froth it will float in the
solid water beneath the froth much the same as if there were no froth. You
will just get a lot of spray on deck in more extreme conditions. If one is
caught in a hurricane, however, all bets are off. Force 10 conditions are
nothing you want to be out in a small sailboat. You could probably drown
in
the froth.

Ah.. ok. I guess you'd just get more froth on the boat... might be
kind of cool to experience (without drowning!)


It can be very exhilarating.





Everybody should have a getaway place like that. . .

It's nice. I haven't been for a while. The only real bummer are the
mosquitoes which can be ferocious in the summer. I hate putting a lot
of chemicals on my skin, so I tend to avoid the trail at dusk.


Do they have those Lyme disease ticks up there. I'd definitely be avoiding
those things.

Yep. We do "body" checks all the time. You definitely don't want that
disease.

Can I volunteer as body checker, next time? :-)




The mosquitoes can be bad at times here during the summer. As long as the
wind blows over about ten knots they aren't bad out on the water but if it
gets calm out the come and the screens have to be kept in place. We also
have something called no-see-ums that are little tiny biting gnats that
are
so small they can go right through a regular screen and the don't really
bite but they put a drop of strong acid down on your skin and when your
skin
starts to dissolve they lick up the residue. It feels more like a tiny
little burn than a mosquito bite but it doesn't itch afterwards, at least.


Bugs are strange. I tend to use the citronella... non-toxic.


Sometimes I'm forced to use those mosquito coils that you light and they
smoke, but I don't particularly like the way they smell. The only good thing
is most of the smoke just blows out of the companionway into the cockpit. As
the mosquitoes come upwind following the scent of carbon dioxide that gets
most of them.

Oh well.
 

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:40:51 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
snip

\
Not really! A ballasted sailboat is quite heavy for its size and it has a
keel deep in the water so if there is a lot of froth it will float in the
solid water beneath the froth much the same as if there were no froth. You
will just get a lot of spray on deck in more extreme conditions. If one is
caught in a hurricane, however, all bets are off. Force 10 conditions are
nothing you want to be out in a small sailboat. You could probably drown
in
the froth.

Ah.. ok. I guess you'd just get more froth on the boat... might be
kind of cool to experience (without drowning!)


It can be very exhilarating.





Everybody should have a getaway place like that. . .

It's nice. I haven't been for a while. The only real bummer are the
mosquitoes which can be ferocious in the summer. I hate putting a lot
of chemicals on my skin, so I tend to avoid the trail at dusk.


Do they have those Lyme disease ticks up there. I'd definitely be avoiding
those things.

Yep. We do "body" checks all the time. You definitely don't want that
disease.

Can I volunteer as body checker, next time? :-)

LOL ... well, depends on the temperature of your hands. JUST KIDDING!!


The mosquitoes can be bad at times here during the summer. As long as the
wind blows over about ten knots they aren't bad out on the water but if it
gets calm out the come and the screens have to be kept in place. We also
have something called no-see-ums that are little tiny biting gnats that
are
so small they can go right through a regular screen and the don't really
bite but they put a drop of strong acid down on your skin and when your
skin
starts to dissolve they lick up the residue. It feels more like a tiny
little burn than a mosquito bite but it doesn't itch afterwards, at least.


Bugs are strange. I tend to use the citronella... non-toxic.


Sometimes I'm forced to use those mosquito coils that you light and they
smoke, but I don't particularly like the way they smell. The only good thing
is most of the smoke just blows out of the companionway into the cockpit. As
the mosquitoes come upwind following the scent of carbon dioxide that gets
most of them.

My brother's suggestion while camping is to not breathe!